At our monthly club meet at the begining of the month, we got around to talking about the accumulation of modelling junk.
It became apparent that a number of us have/had a mottely collection of IC engines. Some one said that we had the begingings of a good collection. It was about this point it became apparent that some members also had a number of "Electric Motors".
A member also said that he collected motors, some were taken aback, others fully understood and concoured that they also were subconsiously collectors. It appears that the Precision and Engineering Sophistication is what attracted some, others it was the wide ranging designs which are all inherantly more efficient than the IC engine. No out of balance forces, dirty fumes to destroy the environment from CO and CO2.
There were examples of flat commutator, squirel cage, ratchet solenoid motors, right through to the modern brushless innrunners/outrunners motors.
Our members have Marx, Bonner, Tayco, Mabuchi and many more rare, sublime peices of engineering precision.
Some of the members intend selling their old IC junk, as they are representative of an era, where mans abilities to harness the power of science was lacking.
It has been decided to give an annual prize for the best collection, the meeting will be held on the 1/4/2009.
Come and join us, "Move Foreward with the Times". Our present government approves as it has no time for Petrol Heads and Pollutors, who put the environment at risk.
You are not quite right re your comments about no CO and CO2 and putting environment at risk.
Electricity is still being generated by CO2 producing power stations and when you add in all the inefficiencies from base fuel thru to your power at your house and then recharging followed by the efficiency of the motor - I would not like to bet on which of the 2 power modes generate more CO2 for a given unit of actual air power to get the model in the air
I fly 4 stroke - generally quieter , cleaner and more efficient than 2 stroke - and also electric - so have no axe to grind re which is best. horses for courses I think . The ONLY clean models are gliders of which I have a few but unfortunately have no ready access to good slopes or permissable fields for bungees
I am ignoring CO2 produced in making models - but if you want to go the whole hog , then balsa and tissue/dope models must be about the cleanest to produce and fly
I have quite a bit of modelling "junk" collected over a long long time but I would not consider myself as a collector - more a hoarder who is reluctant to thow anything out just in case I might be able to use it later
Think by flying electric, you can rejoice in the majestic sweep of wind turbines that stradle the hill tops of this fair land or find reassurance in the Nuclear Power generated electricty surging down the overhaed pylons to our homes.
No need for the monstrous chemical plants pumping forth life threatening discharges to the atmosphere and our mighty rivers, to produce a few miserable litres of methanol. Abandon the IC engine, it is as relevant to future as the horse and cart.
Yet for me the pleasure is in the visual assessemnt of the jewel like properties of the electric motor. Being awe struck by the ingenuity of the designer and the craftsman ship of the armature winders etc. Above all the smooth turbine smooth running properties of an +80% efficiency. Compared to the sub 30% efficiency of the IC engine.
John start your collection to day, go insearch of the VIP, Mighty Midget, stare in awe at the minature gem of the coreless motor in your servo.
Comrade Ken is the Way of the Future, a tax on IC models.
I am thinking that £1 per session for under .2 cu inch, and a realistic £20 per flight for Methanol guzzling over > 0.2 cu inch. We must think of our children and grandchildren, what sought of world do we wish them to inherit.
Brian, the point is there are no fumes with our electric motors. Our club intendeds running tutorials on breaking in brushed motors, using a bucket of water and a suitable water dispersant.
Who can not stand in awe of a mighty electric motor, coming to life, like sleeping giant, coming to life from a deep sleep. The seamless increase in velocity as it heads to awe inspiring radians per second. All with a gentle hum.
Attend our annual club meet, I know this report was a little late in coming, but I must complete the roof to the new wing of Schloss Erfolg before Winter. Rember, 1/4/2009, for the next meeting and discussion of Historic and collectable Electric Motors.
Well, I have a brand new, never started, OS 61 Gold-head rear induction stashed away. No it isn't for sale, it is for looking at, now! It was going into a Scottish Aviation bulldog, until someone else built one, and we discovered that it had a WICKED tip-stall!
Then I took up gravity-powered flying, and all the infernal combustion engines were relegated to the spares box.
If it wasn't for the inescapable fact that a slope-soarer needs a car which burns fuel to get it to the nearest hills, I'd say that gliding was the greenest flight method!
Catch the bus to the Barn, and take a stroll up past the ruin of the old house, up past the Dovecot and onto the moor. You will be truly invigorated.
A colleague of mine built his own radio gear (1970s), placed it in a glider and launched it from Winter Hill, apparently the glider was better than the gear as it soared of to disappear over the reservoir. It would seem when ever he tested the equipment, all the TVs in the street would suffer sever interference.
Any way I'm of now to drool over my Duramatic motor of circa 1960.
Whilst clearing my garage in preparation for the new integrated roof with magnificent kitchen extension, I came across another Merco 35 and a Profi 60, at first I was tempted to think of some more models to suit these engines. I then thought of electric starters, glow plugs batteries, plus field box, becoming resolute I said" Get thee behind me Satan, and promptly placed them with my other engines about 20 in total, was a very big box, now need another.
However my motor collection, is truly a thing of beauty to be appreciated in the peace and tranquility of the home with a good malt whisky.
A good malt whisky , in addition to guzzling CO2 producing fuel in its birth, is also well known for the loosening of the tongue and the connection with the brain if and only if taken in excess.
In moderation it is quite heart warming as it spreads down thru ones tubes to refresh those parts not reached by foreign brews.
Erfolg, you say take a bus to the Barn. Yeah, great, but it is still burning fuel! Anyway, from here (Warrington) to Rivi barn is about five changes and three hours each way, assuming there is no, or little, waiting in between changes. Whiskey? Good for fuel, iIprefer a dark Navy Rum!! (Well, I was a matelot!) The blood doesn't circulate properly without rum! (That's an Adam Coffin quote, from the film and book 'The Deep'.)
I know how you feel, I to used to admire the workmanship of my diesel engines, ED Hornet, Bee and racer, My Elfin, and of course my Webra Bully, these and many more are consigned to my Junk box. Unfortunatly these things are for, dare I say it, for anoracks, where as electric motors, are cutting edge, a little bit nervy, for the adventerous.
Since finding electric power, I have started to appreciate mans true ingenuity, it is to easy to be seduced, and drawn into wanton lust of wishing to own truly outstanding works of art.
I now have from Tayco, a Target, Meteor, Standard, Supermarine and a Double Special. This is suplemented by a Kako 01,0, when combined with my Mabuchi 5,10, 15, 25, 35, and 45, I am truly blessed. To date I have one Mighty Midget.
My wife often expresses amazement, at my collection. Ths is expressed in some revealing comments, Well I think it is wonderful that you have such a marvelous collection, bloody marvellous and i can clean them, if I am careful. She has suggested that I take up stamp collecting, or some other equally exciting hobby. But I remain resolute and now search for a Ripmax Bullet 30 and Cyclone 15. She has suggested that she may give me the bullet herself.
Many other club memembers feel much as I do, hence our annual meeting on the 1/4 of every year. Do not be shy, share your own supressed longings, no one on this furum will laugh, but will understand and encourage you to come out of the closet and declare to the world "I collect precision electric motors and I am proud".
Erfolg I have every sympathy with your appreciation of the electric motor and will probably be seeing you at your meeting next year hopefully. That is'unless the said type of propulsion has not become extinct by then (a distinct possibility if our far eastern providers continue to send over their latest products for testing). Currently being unable to find a replacement fan/impellor for my latest acquisition 'an EDF unit' I have decided not to try and mend the detached blade with my Italian dodgy balsa cement (bring back O MY or Joy) but mount said 4 blade (now) artifact on a suitable classic style plastic plinth for all to admire .Unless of course someone comes up with a carbon fibre glue .This will probably originate from the F1 engineers who could save a packet if they could stick together all the debris off the track after a prang & heavily polluting their followers with fumes. In the meantime I am seriously thinking of burning up my 10 litres of smelly oily stuff -Sod the destruction I'm causing to the environment & going out well away from the H&S spies in their suits and enjoying what I think I know about Cheers
We need the pollution, temperatures must rise, to get back to levels 2-5000 years ago. A number of trees have been discoverd (some in Sweden) which show after analysis, that we are still recovering temperture wise from the last ice age. These trees pre date others and provide a direct comparison of tempertures. Where as ice cores provide indirect means, requiring interpretation of conditions.
Unfortunarly the ant artic ice sheet has regained its mass and is now at the same size as 12 yeras ago.
I beg all modellers get out there burn as much carbon emmitting substances as possible, my kitchen extension needs better weather for completion. This has been to poorest 3 years of building that I remember. Bring on global warming, I want temperatures that our ancestors enjoyed in the Roman and Medieval periods.
Erfloger ( earth flogger ) Couldn't agree &/or disagree more /or less. You have my total sympathy regarding your cold extention & your cold prevailing wind ( try heating the beans before eating them).I have the same problem currently with 'er indoors's garden fence I'm trying to erect since it was vandalised by the local youth Hitler gangs -They have even been practicing their manoeuvers on the as yet un -erected replacement panels).I shall attempt to increase global warming ,especially here ,but have run out of CFC's in cans (CO2 etc) whilst making my mark on the antarctic climate & ozone ( O3) layer to let in harmful rays & possibly heat..Glad to hear that in sweden the trees ( unfortunately not balsa wood) have survived the ravages of climatic change before man was blamed for destroying forests to make model flying machines .Probably the vikings are to blame originally(Real Europeans) but they ended up making b---s to go pillaging in, in search of a slightly warmer environment (as it was then apparently in blighty) Am glad the Antarctic has regained it's mass ,I dearly wish I could say the same after 12 years - everybody says it's getting smaller --melting .Who do I believe?
Er indoors's dad who is 95 has an open fire in his farmhouse he's always lived in .He was born there.When he was ill recently with sciatica & asked for help from social services ,the "helper" was not not allowed to light the fire on H&S grounds because of the risk to her safety -not er Dads.
Eric We olduns need 36" sheets .A bonsia tree would be for small ARTF midgets with micro everything '
Sorry -I meant 1 metre now that we'vve gone metrical ie 39 and a bit inches & they dont fit in my old trustworthy box of bits/offcuts etc. Has upset 'er indoors's cat that loved to scratch & sleep in said box
It doesn't matter whether my balsa is in metres or yards, they stand upright in my wood box! Our cat, Suki, finds the bed softer and more acceptible, especially if the boss's hot-water bottle still has some life in it!
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