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New FrSky EU firmware - an unwelcome surprise

Taranis and X series receivers.

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Chris Bott - Moderator11/05/2015 16:36:24
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Posted by Peter Christy on 11/05/2015 14:16:32:

Chris: As far as I'm aware, the TX ETSI upgrade ONLY upgrades the D16 protocol. It doesn't touch an existing D8 protocol. If FrSky have stopped supplying the D8 protocol altogether in new transmitters (as I suspect they are legally obliged to do), then that is a problem. However, I would have thought that flashing with non-EU firmware would re-instate D8, and that then re-flashing with the 1.8.1 firmware would ONLY upgrade the D16 bit of it, leaving the D8 untouched.

This is a bit theoretical I'm afraid, as I only have an original Mk1 Taranis, so I can't speak from experience!

Its possible that FrSky have just removed the option from the menu, in which case simply re-installing the OpenTx firmware from the usual source, rather than from FrSky, might well restore it.

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Exactly the reason for my question Pete. thumbs up

Chris Bott - Moderator11/05/2015 16:38:01
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Posted by Mike Blandford on 11/05/2015 16:34:30:

I believe putting either openTx or ersky9x on to your Taranis will restore the D8 functionality on the internal XJT module.

Has anyone checked the options available in the FrSky EU firmware for the external module?

This should still have PPM as an option, and you should be able to use an external DJT module for 'D' series receivers.

Mike.

Thanks Mike. We could do with finding a new user with a recently bought, but not upgraded, Tx just to try, I guess.

Mike Blandford11/05/2015 22:50:38
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I've just gone to the FrSky website and found a download for the XJT module that says it is the final version of the EU firmware for it, and it only supports D16 mode.

This means we may find that a new Taranis, and new XJT modules, may NOT support anything other than D16 mode. It may also mean that the DJT and DHT modules become unavailable as they may not be compliant.

Mike.

Chris Bott - Moderator12/05/2015 00:03:43
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In that case Mike, I can see a good number of people just switching to "rest of the world" firmware, so they can still use D series receivers. Unless of course new Tx modules are produced that just will not do D8.

Geoff Sleath12/05/2015 00:47:14
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I have copies of earlier EU XJT updates (XJT_eu_150122.frk and XJT_eu_150413.frk) which presumably still allow D8 mode as no-one has complained that it is unavailable. I haven't updated my Taranis internal XJT module yet and if things are as you say, I won't be doing so, except possibly with the frk files I already have and probably the older one.

It would be of interest to know if users who have already updated older Taranis internal XJT modules and use OpenTX firmware can still opt for D8 mode.

Geoff

Edited By Geoff Sleath on 12/05/2015 00:48:59

Caveman12/05/2015 07:24:32
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Geoff, I have the original Taranis, type B, not Plus, and have update the XJT to the new EU firmware 1.8.1

I have X6R and X8R receivers, both 2015 and new EU standard, bound in D16 mode and operating correctly.

I also have a D4R-II receiver, not EU new standard, bound in D8 mode and operating equally satisfactorily.

I'm using Open-Tx 2.0.15 with in-built bootloader.

So no problems at all with my set-up, but that doesn't address any changes to currently, or future, supplies.

GDB

Peter Christy12/05/2015 08:02:15
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Geoff: I have one of the original Taranis' (Type A?), upgraded to the latest firmware (1.8.1 and 2.0.17), and its still working perfectly in D8 mode.

As I understand it, the XJT firmware ONLY affects D16 mode and doesn't touch the existing D8 protocol. This makes sense, as it is not a regulatory requirement. More recent sets (post January) may not have D8 available (see my earlier post), but I would be surprised if its not "recoverable"!

I can see no reason why D8 receivers should become unavailable as these should be 10mW output for telemetry anyway, and thus exempt from the LBT requirements.

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Chris Bott - Moderator12/05/2015 09:21:41
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Posted by Peter Christy on 12/05/2015 08:02:15:

I can see no reason why D8 receivers should become unavailable as these should be 10mW output for telemetry anyway, and thus exempt from the LBT requirements.

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It just seems to be implied that this is the direction that FrSky are going in, just for Europe maybe, evidenced by the fact that the Tx module firmware "EU Final version" Seems to have D8 mode removed.

Yep I have a copy of the EU version that has D8 enabled too, and I'm going to hang on to it.

But say I buy a Horus when they come out. I'll buy from a UK supplier for the after sales support, but I suspect that it won't work with the couple of D series receivers that I currently have.

Mike Blandford13/05/2015 09:09:21
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I have been talking to FrSky and this is the situation at present.

The XJT module only supports D16 mode as D8 mode doesn't comply with the 2015 EU regulations. It is likely that a D8-EU mode will be added when engineering time is available.

DJT and DHT modules do not comply with 2015-EU regs. so will become unavailable in the EU. It is expected that a XHT (hack) module will be available.

'D' series receivers also do NOT comply witht he 2015-EU regs. The pricing of 'X' series receivers will reduce to be close to the price of 'D' series receivers.

Mike.

Chris Bott - Moderator13/05/2015 09:27:21
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Wow, straight from the horses mouth eh? Thanks Mike.

That is pretty much what I was expecting, but with FrSky obviously doing as much as they can to maintain backward compatibility while complying with EU regs.

So that's for anything imported from now on, I guess?
Existing equipment doesn't need to comply, but we'll have to decide individually what to do about making new receivers work with old transmitters.

Add to that, that we still seem to be able to buy none EU equipment from abroad and every permutation is possible.

Martyn K13/05/2015 09:43:17
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I am getting confused again.. Does this mean that my VnR2 series receivers which bind in D8 mode will be obsolete as well? As they are in rarely used models, I haven't tested them recently, but I am sure that one of the V4R2 receivers is working OK in my electric glider.

I have my transmitter module programmed with the EU Jan + Fix Firmware

Martyn

Mike Blandford13/05/2015 12:10:36
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FrSky released firmware for the XJT in January (XJT_eu_150122.frk). This still supported D8 mode. They have since released a new firmware (XJT_eu_150413.frk) that only supports D16 mode and the previous firmware has been removed from the site.

If you have the January version then you still have D8 mode available.

Mike.

Bob Cotsford13/05/2015 12:52:01
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Looks like I'm tied into the non-EU version until they come up with an EU D8 compatible version then as I didn't download XJT_eu_150122.frk when it was available and have a number of D series receivers in use.

Unless some kind gent would email me a copy to keep against the day I get around to updating everything!

Chris Bott - Moderator13/05/2015 13:02:16
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Pm me your email address Bob. I think it's worth having on file at least.

Martyn K13/05/2015 13:16:47
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I have got XJT_eu_150122.frk here

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Mike Blandford13/05/2015 13:18:28
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I've posted a copy here: **LINK**

Mike.

Bob Cotsford13/05/2015 13:38:48
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Thanks Chris, Martyn and Mike, sortedthumbs up

Edited By Bob Cotsford on 13/05/2015 13:39:29

Caveman13/05/2015 22:28:05
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My experience suggests that XJT_eu_150413.frk does indeed support D8 mode.

I've flashed my Taranis 'B' with this firmware and I'm currently running an X6R (2015 EU version) in D16 mode and a D4R-II in D8 mode. Both receivers bind and operate perfectly, including receiver voltage telemetry.

GDB

Geoff Sleath13/05/2015 22:52:23
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Caveman: The only receivers that will be supported in D mode will be ones without any telemetry like your D4R-II. I suspect D8 will not be supported for X series receivers which automatically include telemetry (like RSSI and receiver voltage) without your needing to do anything about it. I'd be interested to see if D8 worked on your X6R if you selected it.

I'm glad I have a copy of XJT_eu_150122.frk and will use that to update my XJT module when I found one of those very rare round tuits

Geoff

Caveman13/05/2015 23:25:34
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Geoff, if I can find a minute tomorrow I'll have a play and report back!

GDB

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