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Classicpattern Team31/01/2016 07:43:17
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Who knows more about the plane "Welshman".? Pilots name was "Wanter".

Its a very interesting plane, who knows more about? Information`s, drawings, pictures? We like to publish a documentation of this beauty.


Greetings from Germany

Editor Classic Pattern Team


Edited By Classicpattern Team on 31/01/2016 07:54:59

Bob Cotsford31/01/2016 11:13:12
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Nice link, thanks - and it's English language too!

Peter Christy31/01/2016 12:30:58
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Hmm! I wonder - that looks like one of Pete Waters models? IIRC, he was Welsh - which would fit with the model name - and was the Min-X agent here in the UK. I believe he emigrated to the US (late 60s, or early 70s?), and ran Kraft MidWest over there.

He was a very active pattern aerobatic pilot here in the UK before emigrating, winning the Nationals more than once, and his models always had a slightly "stalky" look about them. That certainly looks like one of his.

Some more info here:

(link to pdf file)





Edited By Peter Christy on 31/01/2016 12:37:41

Edited By Peter Christy on 31/01/2016 12:39:11

John Lee31/01/2016 12:53:00
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I think you are right Pete. It looks like the 'Altair' that Pete Walters flew in the 1965 World Championships.

John Lee31/01/2016 13:16:34
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Peter Christy31/01/2016 13:35:11
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Yes, John, that's how I remember him! I think the German information must have lost something in translation! Looking at that picture you've found, that does look like the same model. I had the name "Altair" at the back of my mind, but wondered if I was confusing it with a later design!

And I believe Pete Waters was Welsh, so I think they have his nationality confused with the model name.

Good to clear up the confusion! smiley



Geoff Sleath31/01/2016 14:12:02
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Seeing the way the pilot is holding his transmitter reminds me of the way one of our club's F3a pilots holds his now. He has a tight harness which positions his transmitter high on his chest. Still, you can't knock it - not only does he design and build his own models but he was a BMFA national champion a couple of years ago. Pity he's Polish


Classicpattern Team31/01/2016 14:46:41
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Is this Waters?

Peter Christy31/01/2016 15:35:46
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It certainly looks like him! Mind you, its nearly 50 years since I've seen him! Another clue is that the transmitter in the foreground looks very like a Min-X - they had quite a short centre-loaded aerial - and Peter Waters was the Min-X agent back around then.



BARRY Killick05/06/2016 19:41:52
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Pete is still living in Michigan, USA and also has a summer home in Clearwater, Florida. He did relinquish Kraft Midwest but is I believe now flying R/C Pylon again. I flew with him for a while in Michigan --- he bought a home that had enough land for a runway to accommodate both models and ultralights. His interest was more into homebuilts than models. I did get to fly with him in his "Pink" AVID FLYER and I believe he built a WW1 NIEUPORT replica.

Don't have his current e-mail but I am sure he is an EAA member so traceable.

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