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Big Bandit20/01/2012 17:51:28
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Hi Jim,
 
Still got the Studio Master mixing desk in the loft, and a full stereo effects unit all in a flight case, good old days. My pride and joy I couldn't part with is a maple shelled Premier Snare drum with cast rims and fully floating snare.
 
As for Don, Still remember him as true gent and modeling master, I remember his workshop in Ratby, and spraying wasps with cyano kicker, then gluing its legs to small model planes he'd built, then blowing on it to revive it, then it trying to fly around his workshop along with his mates Bangers and Simo, Still see Bangers, now and again. All good blokes.
 
Like Dave says, it doesn't rain in the Pub, so it may be catching up if it rains, or flying the rocks off it, if it's fine. Cant wait for June.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Jim Carss20/01/2012 18:02:12
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Small world Chris, I have friends in Ratby and in Glenfield,spent a couple of hours or so in the Dominion in Glenfield.
 
Used to play golf at Enderby and at Western Park.
 
stay cool
 
Jimbo
Big Bandit20/01/2012 18:25:17
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Hey Jim,

I've been banned from flying on Weston park since last year, the Local authority Muppet's have deemed it not allowable to fly Park flyers on the local parks. I know, I work for them, but common sense just doesn't work in this case.
 
I live in Enderby and use the New Inn in the village from time to time mainly drinking with Glen from Bodgers mate, when he's not gigging (used to play with Love Afair) and Glen Taylor now with Marmalade, but used to play with Love affair also. Give us a ring next time your in town, the first rounds on me. I'll PM my mobile number.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Jim Carss20/01/2012 19:15:08
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Chris,
 
Is the Chatsworth pub still up and running,last time we were there the couple that owned it were considering a pub up Narborough ways.
 
Had some happy times in the Chatsworth,did some good grub.
 
I like the sound of the first round.
 
Jim

Edited By Jim Carss on 20/01/2012 19:15:31

Edited By Jim Carss on 20/01/2012 19:16:02

Big Bandit20/01/2012 19:59:18
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Hi Jim, No the Chatsworth's gone I,m afraid, it's a pub grub place now.
 
Just a blast from the past I can't resist its my old mate Glen Taylor with Marmalade,
 
The best Pub in the Village is the New Inn, the King Bill where we used to practice is also gone (not that we practiced much anyway), just the Dog and Gun and the New Inn, the Plough and another who's name may not be mentioned now (due to it's new landlord) .
 

 
Will PM soon.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Alan Dorrell21/01/2012 10:23:44
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Hi Jim,
 
It's a small world. My family lived at Glenfield and the Dominion was my Dad's local. I had many a pint there with him and his mates. Must have been good stuff, he lasted 'til he was 92. Another thing. I have never met Don Stothers, but when I taught at Desford, his son, Tony, was in one of my classes and, of course, modelling was a frequent topic of conversation.
 
Alan.
Jim Carss21/01/2012 10:37:29
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Alan,
 
PM on its way
 
Jim
Big Bandit21/01/2012 13:49:19
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Alan,
 
It sure is a small world, and would be nice to see if Don is still about, I'll PM later.
 
As for the build it's back on this morning with a bit more done, first off I've sheeted the root under side and added the TE webbing to the second panel which has now moved things on a bit. While that's drying I've cut the LE top sheeting for both panels.
 
 
The epoxy has been warmed on the heater to make it runny, and any sanding in the area's which are now going to be glued can be done until the epoxy is ready. As I've used epoxy on the spar boxes that were wrapped in boot thread, it's only epoxy to attach the LE sheeting in the box area, the rest of the sheeting will be stuck down with Aliphatic. So the sheeting cut to width and all adhesives clips, tape etc ready.
 

It's time to glue up, with 15 min epoxy over the spar boxes and aliphatic along the rest of the top spar. Clamp and pin the sheeting to the top spar
 
 
Then the false LE and rib tops back to the top spar are glued up, an off cut of 1/16 is useful to apply the glue to the top of the ribs without it dribbling down the ribs. Then using tape to hold it tight until the glue dries, pull the sheet down at the front and tape to the under side sheeting. Apply a few more clips to hold the sheeting down firmly along it's length. It can be a bit fiddly to get the sheeting to stay down properly at the tip, but more clips and tape take care of that.

An old starter battery to hold the sheeting down over the spar boxes does the trick.
 
 
With that panel put to the back of the bench and allowed to dry properly, the second panel can now have the pins holding the bottom root sheeting and TE webbing can be removed, and the top LE sheeting applied as for the first panel.
 

I'll give these time to dry properly while I have some lunch and a coffee, then I'll be back to the shed to do a few more bits. I probably will leave these until tomorrow to ensure they are fully dry and cut some centre section ribs.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Big Bandit21/01/2012 21:35:21
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Time for the afternoon session. First job is to cut a couple of ribs for the two inner ribs of the centre section from 1/16 rib stock, this needs to be hard but light, a number 11 blade in a number 3 scalpel does the trick. This why I always cut a rib template from 1/16 ply.
 
 
Accuracy is essential, but as long as the template is not cut into the whole process is repeatable. In the past I've built model after model from templates, and still have a box full from models I've built.
 
 
Then, with the two centre ribs cut and trimmed up.
 

Glue up the centre section bottom sheeting. from medium hard 1/16" sheet and mark out for the ribs and spars. Then start to glue up packing the leading edge of the sheet to match the front rib profile. Again I use a Slec angle guide to ensure ribs are vertical and loads of pins to hold every thing down to the board.
 
 
This gives a clearer idea of the wing construction I've used throughout. Spruce main spars and hard balsa rear lower spar, medium balsa false leading edge, 1/8" balsa lower trailing edge, hard but light balsa 1/16 ribs, apart from higher stressed area's which are from 1/8" lite ply.
The small ply tabs between the main spars are just accurately cut spacers to set the spars as an interference fit for the main wing joiner. The slot between the spars to accept the joiner will be cut when the glue has dried over night.
 
 
And last cut the 1/8" lite ply end ribs ready for in the morning.
 

The main spar joiner and rear lower spar joiner need to be cut and the end center section ribs glued up with the correct angle for the dihedral, some sanding to the wing outer panels, but that's for another day, like tomorrow while I listen to the local radio gardening program.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
sticky fingers21/01/2012 22:03:08
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hi again Chris. I hear what you say the "D" nose construction is very strong and resists torsional stress but I,m sticking with the original design , Lightweight gear and staying in the original intended flight envelope.cheers for now

Dave

Edited By sticky fingers on 21/01/2012 22:14:44

Big Bandit21/01/2012 22:22:54
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Hi Dave,
 
The original design is Ok providing that you use a better bracing system for the main spar. I think we all develop favorite methods over the years, and the beauty of forums like this one is that idea's can be exchanged and shared making the trial and error phase less painful for those who haven't the long experience, such as you and I have. Andy has done it differently again which I'd have followed given the building space.
 
Would be good if you started a build blog so that others could learn from your experience.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Alan Dorrell22/01/2012 11:07:20
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You are really going belt and braces, Chris,I am looking, learning and inwardly digesting ready for when I start my own S 60. Shouldn't be too long now.
 
Alan.
Big Bandit22/01/2012 15:20:12
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Hi Alan,
 
As I've said previously I'm not a fan of flimsy spar braces and on a wing of this size the ones supplied in the kit at least should be replaced with full depth ply braces, such as Andy has done on his model. My main motivation to build this way is space at the moment, I did intend to re-roof the garage last year, but then the house rewire and remodeling the living room took over. The current work shop is an 8 x 6 summer house and with all of the kit in there is becoming more claustrophobic daily, so come the spring the garage conversion takes priority.
 
This is where I've got to today and illustrates just how cramped the workshop is. The center section built with the spar joiner fitted.
 
 
From the front, and I'm standing outside to take this one.
 

And the three main components ready for the top center section sheeting.
 

and a bit more detail.

 
The complete wing as far as it is at the moment does feel very light, but strong.
I have a heavy week at work again next week with some heavy duty meetings and two days confined space training, so it'll be Thursday before I can do any more.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Tony Jones22/01/2012 17:25:48
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Posted by Big Bandit on 22/01/2012 15:20:12:
Hi Alan,
 
As I've said previously I'm not a fan of flimsy spar braces and on a wing of this size the ones supplied in the kit at least should be replaced with full depth ply braces, such as Andy has done on his model. My main motivation to build this way is space at the moment, I did intend to re-roof the garage last year, but then the house rewire and remodeling the living room took over. The current work shop is an 8 x 6 summer house and with all of the kit in there is becoming more claustrophobic daily, so come the spring the garage conversion takes priority.
 
This is where I've got to today and illustrates just how cramped the workshop is. The center section built with the spar joiner fitted.
 
 
From the front, and I'm standing outside to take this one.
 

And the three main components ready for the top center section sheeting.
 

and a bit more detail.

 
The complete wing as far as it is at the moment does feel very light, but strong.
I have a heavy week at work again next week with some heavy duty meetings and two days confined space training, so it'll be Thursday before I can do any more.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Is that to help you cope with the 'cramped' workshop?
 
Regards
Tony Jones
Tony Jones22/01/2012 17:27:04
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Posted by Tony Jones on 22/01/2012 17:25:48:
Posted by Big Bandit on 22/01/2012 15:20:12:
Hi Alan,
 
As I've said previously I'm not a fan of flimsy spar braces and on a wing of this size the ones supplied in the kit at least should be replaced with full depth ply braces, such as Andy has done on his model. My main motivation to build this way is space at the moment, I did intend to re-roof the garage last year, but then the house rewire and remodeling the living room took over. The current work shop is an 8 x 6 summer house and with all of the kit in there is becoming more claustrophobic daily, so come the spring the garage conversion takes priority.
 
This is where I've got to today and illustrates just how cramped the workshop is. The center section built with the spar joiner fitted.
 
 
From the front, and I'm standing outside to take this one.
 

And the three main components ready for the top center section sheeting.
 

and a bit more detail.

 
The complete wing as far as it is at the moment does feel very light, but strong.
I have a heavy week at work again next week with some heavy duty meetings and two days confined space training, so it'll be Thursday before I can do any more.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Is that to help you cope with the 'cramped' workshop?
 
Regards
Tony Jones

Posted by Big Bandit on 22/01/2012 15:20:12:
Hi Alan,
 
As I've said previously I'm not a fan of flimsy spar braces and on a wing of this size the ones supplied in the kit at least should be replaced with full depth ply braces, such as Andy has done on his model. My main motivation to build this way is space at the moment, I did intend to re-roof the garage last year, but then the house rewire and remodeling the living room took over. The current work shop is an 8 x 6 summer house and with all of the kit in there is becoming more claustrophobic daily, so come the spring the garage conversion takes priority.
 
This is where I've got to today and illustrates just how cramped the workshop is. The center section built with the spar joiner fitted.
 
 
From the front, and I'm standing outside to take this one.
 

And the three main components ready for the top center section sheeting.
 

and a bit more detail.

 
The complete wing as far as it is at the moment does feel very light, but strong.
I have a heavy week at work again next week with some heavy duty meetings and two days confined space training, so it'll be Thursday before I can do any more.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Is that to help you cope with the 'cramped' workshop?
 
Regards
Tony Jones
Tony Jones22/01/2012 17:28:51
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Apologies for the multiple replies and not snipping the majority of the previous post. Not sure what happened there....

Regards
Tony

Edited By David Ashby - RCME Admin on 22/01/2012 19:34:03

Big Bandit22/01/2012 17:43:32
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Hi Tony, no worries,
 
I must admit, the cramped conditions in the shed are now begining to get to me. So I'm really looking forward to converting the garage to a full workshop.
 
As for the training I'm not looking forward to it, crawling around in holes and down ducting with full breathing apparatus on isn't my idea of fun, but if my team are expected to do it, I have to lead by example.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.
Big Bandit26/01/2012 15:55:47
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Hi All,
 
Just had a couple of hours in the shed and did a bit more, first off I've fitted an incidence peg to the root section Just a length of 1/4" dowel, and skinned the top of the center section with 1/16" balsa.
 
 
I've drilled the root ribs on the outer panels to accept the pegs and added just a square of 1/16 ply for reinforcement. I've also added a strip of 1/4 balsa just to beef up the first bay. These are ready for the top skins and cap strips now.
 

And finally what it looks like so far, after I've managed to recover the mess I made trying to trim with tissue.
 

More tomorrow,

Cheers,


Chris.
 
Big Bandit29/01/2012 14:51:53
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Hi All,
 
A small amount of progress over the weekend. Not as much as I'd have liked, but a trip out to find a good slope site that has eluded me over the last couple of years proved fruitful, and the views were breathtaking consequently I've ordered a nice slippery glider for some alternative fun when it gets too windy for my normal models.
 
Anyroad up, some sheeting to finish the center section, root section of the main panels and cap strips. left over night to dry, then added the true leading edges.
 
 
This morning was a bit brass monkeys so the heater went on in the shed while I had bacon sarnies in the warm.
 
 
First job was to pull all of the pins now the glue has dried over night.
 
 
using a razor plane and long sander makes easy work of shaping leading edges, and I finally plugged the wings together to ensure all was OK with the fit and the edges blended into each other.
 
 
For this I used a 300mm length of bock section ally with self adhesive 120 grade carbide paper stuck to it. A very useful bit of kit to have around.
 

For finishing a wood pad with a hand hold, using 240 grit paper does the job well.
 

It's also useful for a drilling and sanding block. I knocked this one up in the late eighties.


A coat of sanding sealer on the sheeted area's, and it's looking good to go with the nylon next weekend and the final stages should speed up a bit now.
 
 

And the sheds filthy with dust and shavings so a good clean before covering and painting starts.
 
 

More soon, Cheers,
 
Chris.
 
Big Bandit02/02/2012 19:21:49
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Hi All, a bit of a wasted day, today. I did clean up the shed a bit. After that it was enough to cover the under side of the outer wing panels before it got too cold despite the heater being on. -1 outside 2.9 inside the shed 22.5 in the house, guess where I wanted to be. but I did cover the under side of the outer panels of the wings.
 

They look so white compared to the rest of the airframe, compare the tailplane in the background for comparison. I've got a bit of the original 70's dope left but I may need to find a way of discolouring the dope for effect. Bobs idea of using Ronseal varnish gave me the idea of using thier wood dye to dope the dope as it were . Have to visit B&Q tomorrow see what they have in stock. Watch this space.
 
Cheers,
 
Chris.

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