Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 In response to the vintage mass build idea we need to help folks find out what models they could build and where they could buy kits or get plans from. So if you remember those days, or follow the vintage scene today, please share with us any relevant information to help others make their selections. Web links and pictures would be very helpful along with plans sources, kit manufacturers and any "flying notes" you might have. Thanks BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham kindberg1 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hi Beb Try this There is another site better, may still be on the other computor. Will check tomorrow GrahamEdited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 15/09/2011 14:18:35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno Racer Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 BEB, Magician kit. This is the mid sized one of the 3 in this series, good for a 32-46 2 stroke and 52" span, so well within most builders grasp. Kit is build from plan, with no seperate instructions, but is an easy build like the WEBBIT. Kit is available from either Galaxy Models or Pegasus Models. Kit can be modified in many ways. It is also very easy to convert to electric. Its a great flying sports model and a bit of a retro classic too! Mine flew like my Pulse XT40 . This is not mine, but an image I found on t'internet; a Magician next to the other Brit classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 BEB, My Friend Dereck Scott has a vast collection of vintage plans of almost anything that you can remember. He can print any of them and get them posted virtually they same day. I hope this is of help? Vintage Plans I personally liked the single model build as with the WebBit, people could personalize in their own way which was something enjoyable and completely different. We all had a lot of fun at the fly-in and it was very interesting to see the variations that is possible from one model. We were comparing each others builds and how we all went around different obstacles during our builds. I think we all learnt something from each other, I know I did. My opinion is that this will all be lost with a vintage type model as alterations are limited other than different power plants etc. Don't get me wrong, I love vintage and free flight aircraft .Its just nice to see something a little more challenging than what is done on other forums etc. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hi Richard, we haven't closed off the "single model route" - its still being discussed over on the main thread. But wether we go single model or free choice we'll still need this info. to choose from! Thanks for the link - looks great. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 BEB, I'm not clear if a cut-off date has been decided but if so RCM&E, RM, & AM plans can be approximately dated by their codes. Also I have old plan handbooks that I could use to give publishing dates for most of them if anyone wants to check any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 For kits: Replikit BenBuckle forum:RCGroups Also check out the X-List plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hi Guys, Flairs Black Magic kit is a vintage cracker, as is their Junior 60 ernie' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 Hi Pat, thanks for the offer of using the old plans handbook as a checker - could proove useful! I think we are homing in on 1965 (approximately) as the cut off. But I don't think we should be too precious about it! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Posted by Bob Cotsford on 15/09/2011 15:56:03: For kits: Replikit BenBuckle forum:RCGroups Also check out the X-List plans Ben Buckle also sell a good range of plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 The X-Lists are a good idea - loads of stuff there. The problem is most of the names don't mean anything to most people! So suggestions of a few good 'uns from yesteryear - other than the obvious ones we all know - would be very helpful. Any er, how shall I put this, errr, "more mature" modellers out there that can help us out on names to look out for? Something you remember as being an attractive model and good flyer from back then? BEB PS Before anyone asks I was 8 in 1965 and modelling was still 5 years in the future! And anyway I wasn't rich enough to know anyone that had radio control gear then - or for quite a long while afterwards either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 If you want some ideas the Ben Buckle kit pages have pictures of each model. Good for a browse. I see the Matador is in the free flight section but the write up says it takes full size radio and makes a good trainer. Of course many of the other models of that era could be considered better looking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 The ben Buckle site is lovely - very inspiring! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Ben Buckle Matador is here £49.99 Quite a big model at 47" span but only recommended for a 1.5cc diesel. This would probably be my choice.....but should I use my DC Sabre (without a throttle) or my OS Max 15.....decisions decisions..... Solartex probably too heavy for this one.....my original had a 1/16" sheeted fuselage & was covered with "heavyweight" tissue (now there's an oxymoron) It flew very well on a 1.5cc Sabre (yep the same onementioned above) but was a little bit underpowered....a 2.5cc PAW solved that problem.... Built as designed (ie unsheeted) & with modern lightweight gear it would probably be OK on a 1.5cc diesel if flown in light winds..... Couple of other thoughts..... Solarfilm isn't totally resistant to diesel fuel....... Electric fliers should forget the 100w/lb rule of thumb....vintage designs will fly on much much less & I would suggest that 50w/lb would be adequeate..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yeap, looking at the kits on the Ben Buckle site I am constantly amazed at how small the recommended engine is for the size of the model! The other day someone was showing me their latest 60" span bipe with a 26cc petrol engine on board! Do you think we've "lost" some key piece of knowledge over the last 50 years? BEBEdited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 16/09/2011 14:17:21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Its a bit like cars BEB isn't it...? 25 years ago a 1.6 litre engine was pretty standard for a family car with maybe a 2 litre for the show-offs!!! Now we have at least 2 litres up front & a lot more horsepower to boot it doesn't make them better to drive though..... I remember driving my Dads SRi Cavalier in the early 80's when I'd just passed my test. It had 115 bhp from 1.8 litres & was genuinely an exciting car to drive, fast, responsive. I recently test drove a 2 litre Peugeot 407 GT which had about 148 bhp & I nearly fell asleep.... Oops...completely off topic.....this nostalgia thing really gets to you doesn't it !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Hi BEB, The key piece of knowledge that has been lost is "add lightness and simplicate" ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bandit Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Steve, I already have a Matador kit in the shed, did my original FF with a mills .75 and my second had an ED Bee Mk2. The third a Mills 1.3 on single channel. I recon it's not too difficult and very pleasing to build, suits a large range of power options. It would make a very pleasant guided FF model. Cheers, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bandit Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Just another thought, Last year I was speaking to Leon at Belair about a part kit for a Vic Smead Poppet. They were doing that for about £25 and they also do the Tomboy in both sizes I imagine it would cost approximately the same for both sizes. Both would also FF very well. Cheers, Chris.Edited By Big Bandit on 18/09/2011 15:09:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Well, I've just ordered three plans so looks like I'm doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 And also a few words of praise for what seem to be two excellent suppliers. The Dercek Scott service recommended above has been used by a couple of my clubmates who speak very highly indeed of the reasonable prices and rapid turnaround I ordered three plans from Ben Buckle earlier and within two hours had an email telling me that P&P was an astonishingly reasonable £2 (other retailers take note) ,and that my plans are already on their way That's good service on all counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yeap, that's very reasonable indeed. BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gilder Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 A selection of Falcon kits can be found Here From the trusted Steve Webb Site!! I think I might end up building one of these!!!! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanN Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ok, we have a problem, Houston..... My 3 Ben Buckle plans arrived today (not only great value plan and postage prices but also delivered less than 24 hours after placing the order - how good is that? ) My "problem" is that having ordered three knowing I'd definitely build one from two, and the third plan was a punt, I now want to build all three of them This is somewhat at odds with my profile, part of which reads " Mission statement: to stop drooling about the "next" project, and instead to actually finish all the "nearly" completed models in my shed (and then fly them until they break)." And that was before I also started a slope soarer. See what you've done BEB. Is this responsible behaviour from a mod? i regard myself as a reasonably experienced builder, but a quick peruse of the plans has already raised some questions in my mind re the best way of doing the r/c thing with these beauties. Really looking forwards to the sharing of build logs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Well, yes I suppose it is. Do I feel remorse? Not a bit of it Guilty as charged your honour! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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