Lee Damms Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi everyone involved in the mass vintage build, I''ve chosen the Matador since I''ve already built a Mini Super this will be my first build blog and I must appologise for the angled photo but to get a straight shot while its on the board I''m likely to fall down the loft hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Is that an Eric Clutton "Sharkface" with a Cox 049 up front I see under your bench Lee?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Yep it sure is Steve, maximum fun minimum outlay. Sharky just back from the field having maidened, £5 of wood and a bit of paint and solartex, new cox sure start from Dens Models £15. The downthrust gave the lads a giggle but it needs it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Excellent....I must get hold of a plan & build one, one day....is your a R/E version or have you fitted ailerons....? Enjoy the Matador....this was mine circa 1978.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Sharky rudder elevator only Steve, oh I seem to recollect have hair like that sometime ago. lol The Matador is going to be my first electric build, according to what I've seen on the net the Matador should come in around 21 onces fitted out. I asked BRC Hobbies if their emax 2822 combo (145w) would be ok on 3s lipo and they recommended a APC-E 8x4 prop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I'm sure it will be fine on that power...its a very light model with a big wing after all....my Matty had a fully sheeted fuselage (1/16th balsa) & R/E servos (standard size....'twas all you could get then) & flew fine on a 1.5cc diesel (although I did later fit a 2.5cc diesel).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi Steve I'm glad you think it will be fine, I was going to fit 9gm servo's and cover in solartex. One guy on rcgroups fitted the 9gm servo's at the rear I might consider that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 9g servos will be fine & yes you could obviously fit them in the rear if required..... A couple of points to bear in mind....Solartex is heavy & you will have more covering behind the CofG than in front....which will push the CofG back....might Litespan be a better material A leccy motor is a lot lighter than a 1.5cc diesel so you will probably need to think about fitting the Lipo pretty far forward too to get the CofG right.....check as soon as you can..... Here's my electric Mini Super...this is Solartex covered & has just over 250watts up front off a 2200 3S Lipo through a 9x6 prop & flies very nicely, with enough oomph to fly into a bit of a headwind......overall weight is a few oz under 3lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hartley Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I had a similar idea in mind, and having got hold of the kit have yet to start the build. Going for an electric set up so am interested as to how yours works out. My original (40 years ago)Matador also ran on a 1.5 diesel with single channel control on the rudder. When you fit your motor make sure you work out where the thrustlines need to be. The original model (and plans?) set the model up for free flight and I followed this with my single channel set up originally. Very good for flying in tight circles one way and just about straight the other !!!. Once the thrust was altered it flew OK till it had a coming together with some hay bales about the size of a bungalow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hartley Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 just had a further thought, based on some of the earlier comments. If the front end is lighter with electric motor then putting servos at the rear end wouldn.t help. I think a standard side by side servo set up feeding the back end with either pushrods or snakes to rudder and elevator, coupled with the battery and ESC quite far forward should give the right C of G. Access from the top or through a removable balsa floor on the bottom might be the best way as it would allow some movement to position the battery in the right place. In terms of covering I think something as light as possible would help depending on powerplant selected. My original one was tissue and dope covered with no additional colour on the wings, but the fuse was colour doped. Dont know what the weight was but it it sailed away well with the 1.5 up front. Edited By Paul Hartley on 17/11/2011 17:37:54Edited By Paul Hartley on 17/11/2011 17:38:48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi Lee, looks like a good start. I hope to start mine soon so will be joining you. I'm all electric these days so just to be awkward I hope to go diesel with mine, to get as close as I can to my first RC model which must have been sometime around 1975. The Matador nose is short but the cabin is huge, so I think my two servos will be with the receiver and battery at the front of the cabin. We'll see once it's all built. Keep going and you might get me started Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi guys, thanks for all the feedback. Definately looks like litespan for the covering. The idea of servos at the rear came from the attached photo of an electrified Matador with a emax2812 motor installed and I think a 3s 2000mah batt pack. Reckon I'll have to see what the balance is like later I may do a little extra sheeting at the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bandit Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Hi Lee, Nice one. Two 9 gram servo's side by side will be just fine. my Quiver which is the same size as the Matador uses a ply tray with the servo's and RX mounted on it. Closed loop for the rudder and mini snake for the elevator. I fit the 2S 1500 lipo in a formed battery box on the under side, with the esc under the motor which is a cheapo blue wonder. When the Super 60's finished I'm doing the Matador, but using a 1.5 diesel. Cheers, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bandit Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Posted by Steve Hargreaves on 17/11/2011 14:10:46:Excellent....I must get hold of a plan & build one, one day....is your a R/E version or have you fitted ailerons....? Steve, PM me and I'll post a plan. Cheers, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 25, 2011 Author Share Posted November 25, 2011 A little bit more done today, fuselage sides glued together and my emax motor/esc combo has arrived from BRC. Note the correct use of CPU coolers they keep the sides nicely together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Looks good Lee....I see Sharky is still trying to muscle in from under the bench there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi there Steve, Sharky's now been moved was getting too comfortable. Done a bit more to the Matador. The battery box takes my 3s 1300mah lipo easy with enough room to move about to adjust CG and if extra weight is need up front I can get a 2000mah in. Removable cowl to do next I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Will there be a removable hatch over the lipo, so as to easily make/break the connection? I would guess the body is to narrow to get your hand into the body, easily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Hi Erfolg thanks for the interest, yes the top of the cowl will be held on by magnets I've checked that I can get my sticky mitts in far easier than trying via the body. I've got the framework of the cowl done and as soon as its sheeted I'll upload the photo, I believe someone on here said magnets were available from Maplin. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew767 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Lee Try an ebay site called magnetsmagnetsmagnets...much cheaper and a larger range than any shop. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Harris Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Lee, That's coming along nicely Regarding magnets, I have used them from the casing of a burnt out outrunner in the past. Really strong and makes you feel that little bit better that it is being re used in some way. Sharky looks nice too! I remember my old man having one with a cox 049 fitted with single channel radio. Was the first model he ever let me launch! the rubber motor snapped whilst in the air and it flew off. Found later in the day in a field full of cows! The same thing happened with a bigger model, think it was called Rohma or something like that, but that was never to be seen again. Don't get falling down that loft hatch! Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I remember the Matador being quite large & chunky around the middle.....a bit like me really......but I agree with accessing the battery via the cowl....much better than taking the wings off every time!!! I've found emagnets to stock a good range......cheaper than Maplin I'm sure!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Damms Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hi Andrew 767 &Steve thanks for the magnet info. Now this may seem a daft question but I know these new fancy magnets are pretty good, but could they affect the electric motor if placed at the front of the cowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hargreaves - Moderator Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The only daft questions are the ones you don't ask Lee..... To answer your question...no they won't affect the motor....these magnets are very strong in the immediate vicinity but the "range" of their field (if I can put it like that) is quite small. I find 6 or 8mm dia x 1 or 2mm thick are good for hatches etc. Obviously depends on the size & weight of the hatch or cowl. Make sure you get the two magnets as close to each other as possible (see above!!).....& make sure you secure them well....they really can take some pulling to get them apart...... Suggest you do a couple of test mock ups before risking your cowl/model!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew767 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hi Lee.......All good advice from Steve....i always use the 6mm ones and i've never had problems with the motor because of them. Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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