Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Unless anybody has different numbers, then the official result of the Mass build for 2014 first round voting is as follows: I've included models that weren't in the nominations list just for interest. As they came nowhere near the top, that is just academic. 65 people voted. If we count the number of times each model appeared in the voting thread, the top 5 stay the same. Barnstormer 94 Dawn Flyer 86 Tinker/Tyro 66 Mini Jazz 65 Pushy Cat 55 STOL 37 Swamp rat 34 Jaberwock 33 Evans Volksplane 32 Miss lizzy 30 Piwakawaka 28 Flea Fi 27 Rat out of Hell 27 Whizzza 27 Chorus Gull 24 Astro Hog 21 Curare 21 Corben Baby Ace 17 Sharkface 16 Scout 15 Zulu - E 15 Chilli Breeze 14 Dalotel Viking 13 Dragon Dancer 13 Frantic 13 Evo Micro Fusion 11 Sling Shot 11 Super Slinky 9 Dactyl 8 E2K 8 Sawdust 8 P51B 7 Super Sportster 7 Evo Enigma 6 Skybird 6 Balerina 4 Gonzales 4 Slicker Mite 4 Moronic 3 Scale Cub 3 Jester 2 Sky Writer 2 Lulu A1 1 Luton Minor 1 Agri Duck 0 Edited By Chris Bott - Moderator on 12/10/2013 20:17:58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 OK folks there we have it. The result of the elimination round. Thank you to everyone who voted. And a big "thank you" to Chris for so diligently and carefully keeping the score - Thanks Chris! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Unless anyone makes a powerful argument to the contrary - I would suggest we have a natural break after Pushy Cat. That would mean 5 models through. Thoughts? BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 That does appear to be the sensible place to make the cut for the second round BEB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'd go with that BEB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Interesting is it the top 6 that goes through beb? Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 11/10/2013 21:56:42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Interesting figures chaps. Now what ? The voting seems to bee split between vintage and modern with a slight advantage to the vintage fraternity. I'm happy with that. Personal opinion. Take the top 5 and give one voter one vote. First past the post wins, with an option for a second model if the gap between one and two is less than 10%. That way if it is a close finish you stand to get more people taking part in the build. kevinb. Pleasing all of the people some of the time - maybe. Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 11/10/2013 21:57:39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearair Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Poor Agri Duck......one day you will be a swan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Hey BEB where are we chatting ? I just posted my response on the chat thread and then found you all over here ! I thought it was quiet !!! kevinb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Just to explain,...Danny's post above was moved from the other chat thread, as was Kevin's. Its not that Danny has "lost the plot" in asking about 6 models BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Winks Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I have to agree with Chris and BEB, 5 seems the perfect solution for the final round and if round 1 is anything to go by I'll be well happy although taking into account previously aired views on the complexity of the barnstormer build I'm hoping we end up with that and the dawn flyer, That'll keep me busy for the winter as I would just have to do both. As an addendum the complicated bits for the Barnstormer such as the cabanes, U/C patterns and ribs are all available from DB models making it a simpler build, so in my view having this and the dawn flyer would give a nice spread of skill sets needed to successfully complete My preference for the voting format would be one member one vote and, as you can guess from above, a choice of the top 2 if they're separated by 10 votes or less, and to be fair I'd be happy if that was 10% or less Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Ooer, now I'm getting dizzy. All this excitement is too much. Just to expand on my previous post. As the next round progresses it may be that one model could be out in front by a considerable margin. The possibility of a second model may encourage more people to vote. That is unless having two models being built is likely to complicate matters. It would certainly provide novice builders with more answers to different build problems. kevinb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devcon1 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Top 5 and a single vote seems eminently sensible to me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Phil From my memory the Barnstormer is not just the features you list, it is also comprised of a stick type side frames, with cross braces, both frames are then made up into a box type body, onto which you attach longitudinal stringers, also the top has half round pieces stuck on, then longitudinal stringers. I just remember a painfully slow build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Posted by kevin b on 11/10/2013 21:57:58: Hey BEB where are we chatting ? I just posted my response on the chat thread and then found you all over here ! I thought it was quiet !!! kevinb It's a pub crawl Kevin - you've got to keep up mate! We just do it to keep you all on your toes! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolstonFlyer Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 The top 5 looks like the logical group, it is an interesting mix of models as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Great ! I haven't been out on a pub crawl for years and even then it was usually my turn to drive ! This discussion is all sounding very positive, I just hope it can be turned into planes in the air. I might just be persueded to take the long journey down to Greenacres to join in the fun there, depending on the weather. This is the first time I will be taking part in the mass build, although I have watched from without before. I'm sure I will learn a lot, as I have from the forum generally over the last couple of years. I may even do a build blog ! I'm sure if I get it wrong someone will put me right. This is good fun, let's see what the next round brings. kevinb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff2wings Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Posted by Erfolg on 11/10/2013 22:14:42: Phil From my memory the Barnstormer is not just the features you list, it is also comprised of a stick type side frames, with cross braces, both frames are then made up into a box type body, onto which you attach longitudinal stringers, also the top has half round pieces stuck on, then longitudinal stringers. I just remember a painfully slow build. No it's not ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Let's keep it good natured lads - I know everyone is passionate about their choice but remember, the other guy is entitled to his view as well! BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You say "long drive" Kevin - what part of the country are you in - you'll have to do well to bet the records. I suspect the UK record for travelling to Greenacres might be held by Ken Anderson and Weasel - coming from Newcastle and Alnwick. The European record is held by PeteB I think who year before last came from France! The world record? Mmm any takers? BEB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Now Now girls, put those handbags away. I'm no speed merchant and when I looked at Barnstormer I had to think about it for quite a long while. It is not a "get out the bits and stick A to B" type of build, It does require an amount of planning. That's where the more experienced builders come in. The mass build is a team effort after all. Nobody is being told to go do it and then bring us the results. I reckon it would probably take me about 3 weeks of steady build time (I am not retired - yet). However I should think Tony Bennett will knock one out in about 2 1/2 days. kevinb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concorde Speedbird Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 This is the sixth thread on the 2014 mass build, that hasn't even started. Why is it so over complicated? Only two are necessary- suggestions and voting thread, count up the results and hey presto. The organisers are doing an excellent job, but I am definitely not the first to get confused by the various threads and rounds of voting, and from an outsider not planning to take part (or a possible newbie builder) it is far to complicated, just one round, one vote per person and pick the winner instead of this confusing system. CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 This is already very interesting, I like the idea of a choice of two models. Of course the original method that everyone has been voting towards was a one member one vote second round. The most successful Mass Build in terms of models built was the Vintage one, with a total of 84 models built. So I'd like to float another idea, just to see what folk think. It would move the goalposts - so if that is an issue, then lets kill the idea now. Would there be any support for using all of the top 5 models for this years Mass Build? Yes this does dilute the idea, of lots of people all building the same model so that people new to building can see how the more experienced do it, and so they can follow along. It would also mean a bigger variation across the mass build. But I think it would "include" far more people. So, shoot down the idea and we'll go back to "as you were", or lets discuss.. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concorde Speedbird Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 11/10/2013 22:41:22: You say "long drive" Kevin - what part of the country are you in - you'll have to do well to bet the records. I suspect the UK record for travelling to Greenacres might be held by Ken Anderson and Weasel - coming from Newcastle and Alnwick. The European record is held by PeteB I think who year before last came from France! The world record? Mmm any takers? BEB If the event was truly trying to encompass people around the country it would go to a different place each year. That would make it a much more attractive event and it would also mean that more people would be able to go, instead of the usual 'exclusive club' which seems to turn up each year. CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bott - Moderator Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Kevin/CSB The Mass Build was never about building models to get together. It was always about including as many folk as we could, to help anyone who fancied a go, but hadn't dipped their toe, into the joys of building from balsa rather than assembling an ARTF. The fact that there was an event, to which hsome of us could go just happened to come as a small add on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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