Phil Cooke Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Pete - can I just check - are you adding the spine and changing the fin because you like the Israeli scheme? Or do you want that shape? The IDF did use the A-4 quite extensively and flew many variants - INCLUDING the A-4E and F, without the spine, so building it as per the plan wouldn't be sacrilegious to the gods of scale modelling! Look! If you knew this but still want the spine bulge I apologise. However if me sending you this has saved you a few hours work, then mine's a pint next time we are stood by a bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Garsden Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Ah thank you Phil - saved me some work - might still do the bulge (Ooh er missus) - was going to fashion it out of a piece of blue foam of which I have heaps left over as you can imagine. Didn't see this version in my research. Will have a think. As the Jews would say "Shalom". Just a thought. If I build an Israeli version will I have to have a circumcision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Barlow Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'll be doing an A4 M with the bulge as I think it looks a bit "meaner" I don't really have any preference on colour scheme except not grey so might go with IDF as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Skyhawk Disciples, I hereby join your great adventure! How's about a PSSA UK bird built all the way from over here across the muddy pond in Boston, Massachusetts, USA? I'm gonna give it a try! Just this past Saturday I ordered the goodies from Traplet, they've got my money and fingers crossed the goodies arrive soon and I will hit this thing and hit it hard. I'll sure TRY not to throw it in Boston Harbor one night in a fit of Colonial outrage like happened with some tea here back in 1776 or whenever it was. More likely, however, it thing gets built I'll manage to drop it in the drink, probably more than once, and with deleterious effect, both here in Boston Harbor and down south a bit in Cape Cod Bay. There's some great slope soaring down in them thar parts! Meanwhile, for religious worship / inspirational purposes, here's a sweet lil' Tinker Toy I've known for many years at Santa Monica Airport in my hometown of Santa Monica, California. I took this snapshot out on the ramp late one afternoon in Summer 2011. She's part of the collection at the Santa Monica Museum of Flying. Cheers, and thanks for having me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Twist Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Hi I'm still hovering on scheme and variant! I like the look of the 1950s prototype - so may choose that and in contrast may choose this: A4F Pacific Fleet Adversary colours! Colour scheme here Decisions ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kettle 1 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I must say some great colour schemes being seen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Posted by John_Rood on 03/02/2016 18:51:39: Meanwhile, for religious worship / inspirational purposes, here's a sweet lil' Tinker Toy I've known for many years at Santa Monica Airport in my hometown of Santa Monica, California. I took this snapshot out on the ramp late one afternoon in Summer 2011. She's part of the collection at the Santa Monica Museum of Flying. Cheers, and thanks for having me. Hey John Welcome to the forum, I hope you will post some pictures of your build and we look forward to seeing some flying shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Houghton 1 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I sent an email to Pyramid a couple of days ago regarding cut vinyl decals but haven't heard a peep back as yet, so I've emailed Tim at Model Markings now. Fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 Yes John welcome to the forum - great to see you on here! I think yours is the first of the Traplet A-4s being built in the USA, but the project is going global - we've already had modellers register to take part from Belgium and Australia. Im still scouting for useful references for scale features and details, I think it would be great if we all added at least a couple of the Skyhawks characteristic features, its certainly not an A-4 without a stripey tailhook for example! Heres a link to some great walk around photos, various marks in here... **LINK** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This is what I hope mine can look like..... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+zealand+air+force+50th+anniversary+A4+skyhawk&rlz=1C1GTPM_enGB627GB628&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=971&tbm=isch&imgil=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%253A%253BvrwavT7DscEqAM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cambridgeairforce.org.nz%25252FRNZAF_50th_Anniv_Skyhawk.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%253A%252CvrwavT7DscEqAM%252C_&dpr=1&usg=__G-vBN5kI97z59aTIetp5IAY0Vh0%3D&ved=0ahUKEwj4gr3T-t3KAhWGDQ4KHTovBHsQyjcIKA&ei=sC-zVvjqH4abOLrekNgH#imgrc=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%3A&usg=__G-vBN5kI97z59aTIetp5IAY0Vh0%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This is what I hope mine can look like..... https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=new+zealand+air+force+50th+anniversary+A4+skyhawk&rlz=1C1GTPM_enGB627GB628&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=971&tbm=isch&imgil=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%253A%253BvrwavT7DscEqAM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cambridgeairforce.org.nz%25252FRNZAF_50th_Anniv_Skyhawk.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%253A%252CvrwavT7DscEqAM%252C_&dpr=1&usg=__G-vBN5kI97z59aTIetp5IAY0Vh0%3D&ved=0ahUKEwj4gr3T-t3KAhWGDQ4KHTovBHsQyjcIKA&ei=sC-zVvjqH4abOLrekNgH#imgrc=3PMjNtDBLfgD_M%3A&usg=__G-vBN5kI97z59aTIetp5IAY0Vh0%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Thanks Andy, still getting to grips with linking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kettle 1 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Ed Heinemann, the man himself standing in front of the first Skyhawks he designed to come off the production line at El Segundo, Los Angeles in 1955. The original engine he chose was a 'British Sapphire' at the time in 1951 this jet engine was frenziedly coming into volume production in three US factories in an Americanised form however called the Wright J65. I must mention about Heinemann he did not just design aeroplanes, he designed a complete series of external stores all based on bodies of minimum drag, the 'Aero -1A family of low drag shapes of 8.2:1 fineness ratio which for more than 20 years were used almost every externally carried store and fuel tank. Many Variants listed . ....more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 So as to get my model actually BUILT and FLYING, I am taking an advanced placement seminar, "A-4 PSSer Workshop Aggressiveness 101" with this PSSA UK-authorized astrophysicist civilian consultant here at NAS Miramar. She's kinda needy and high-maintenance, but hey -- it'll all be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Here's where it all started... XA4D-1 Skyhawk at El Segundo, California, 1954. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Aggressor training, circa 1982, NAS Miramar, California. Below: Possibly a still photo from the "Top Gun" movie production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 For a solid. detailed overview of the Skyhawk, this 49 minute documentary is worth the time investment. Attention is paid to the design philosophy and the subsequent development of each variant, and the YouTube video quality is better than I expected -- especially for a video that was made before the year 2000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMM_jf6Lwc#t=2831.510065 Edited By John_Rood on 04/02/2016 22:06:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kettle 1 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Welcome John to the Mass build and this forum. a quicker link to John's chosen video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Twist Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Welcome John, Thanks for posting the video - just watched it end to end - not sure what speed the A4 touched down at on the carrier decks - but that's some deceleration! (120 knots to zero in 75 feet ish?) Great stuff! Thanks Mark for the quicklink. Truly an international mass build now! Regards H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKid Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Posted by Flyer on 04/02/2016 11:03:15: This is what I hope mine can look like..... Great choice! I have actually sat in that one. The RNZAF Scooters went through five or six different schemes. Here's my EDF version in the original SEA scheme - she's on her second fan and third motor, but still going strong. Glides well and I have flown her as a PSS with the inlets blocked off. RC EDF RNZAF TA-4K Skyhawk from KiwiKid on Vimeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Great posts everyone! John, I like that prototype most - the sharper nose is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share Posted February 5, 2016 Is that you sold then Andy - woodpack on the way is it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Ha, nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John H. Rood Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Quick Size Comparisons: With an F-86 this past year at the Santa Monica Museum of Flying. And below, two early Skyhawks, A4Ds, with another superb Ed Heinemann design, the A3D Skywarrior, the beloved WHALE! As the Whale lacked ejection seats for her 3-man crew, the A3D came to be known as "All 3 Dead". But a great airplane, superlative in every way. Notice the subtle family lines the A-4 received from the A-3. And note this Whale was still wearing Glossy Sea Blue overall, so this photo was fairly early in the Skyhawk's tenure. Edited By John_Rood on 05/02/2016 23:22:32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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