Phil Cooke Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 wow! Real tail lights!! Impressive Chris brilliant stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwain Dibley. Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 I'll second that Phil, they will look superb, nice and tidy install too, typical McG. D.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 Thank you both, Phil and Dwain. In fact, I’m planning two of those but the exact position of the second one is ‘secret’ for the time being and will be revealed in due time… Still no glue delivered, but it isn’t a drama as I have plenty of others things to handle. I got the wing jig back on the building board, had a lot of planks prepared for the aft fuse and started working on the fuse wing plate… Cheers and keep safe, gents Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Hello to all, Just a small bite, but a bite anyhow. The wing bolt plate got its blind nuts and part of it removed to give room for the aileron torque rods. I’m afraid I just copied Phil’s cut out as far as I could interpret his pics. … youppieyeah… I received my parcel from SLEC today. Entirely not their fault as the postman explained our Bpost is totally overwhelmed with parcels and deliveries from online orders as a result of our confinement. The same with DPD, UPS, DHL and other parcels services. And of course, we had that official holiday last Monday. No probs, more than ever now, patience is a virtue… Now I’m also the proud owner of those SLEC aileron torque rods… Let’s hope that Phil can stand my daft questions about them in the (near?) future… Hakuna matata & stay clear all Chris BRU - BE / CTR Torque Rods Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kettle 1 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just checking in Chris, I'm still watching, a clean, neat and precise build, I'm enjoying your thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 Hi Mark, Thank you for your very motivating comments. Just a short session at La Grotte but with the recent glue arrival, I needed to have some planking done. Not that much really, but it seems to be the same as a bike ride, it came back very fast. I also digged up an old ‘test wing section’ that I made some years ago during my Ballerina build. I will use it now as an additional TM Plan for further testing of Fred’s Sauce in combination with my planned final paint job… Cheers and stay clear all Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 Hello again, The second session of planking got achieved as well and is still drying. Now, after the last ‘full length’ planks, the shorter planking up to the wing TE is progressing quite faster. The bottom of the fuse is amazingly 'flatter' than I thought. But no sheeting here as I prepared way too many planks anyway... I guess I will have to start that Sauce & Paint testing sooner than I thought. Still alternating the jobs, the port wing ribs are almost all prepared for gluing up soon. Hakuna matata & stay clear all, please Chris BRU - BE / CTR TM Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Elen Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Hi Chris, Still following along and enjoying your build. Beautiful. Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Thanks for your very kind words, Mark. Especially from a modeller with your skills and experience. Merci beaucoup & stay safe, young man Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Hi to all, I had a start with the Sauce test piece so I can add a third item to the TM plan. I wrote before that I will use a wing section that I made when building Peter’s Ballerina, using the bottom of the airfoil this time. It’s 3mm Depron test piece glassed with 18g fiber using water based hard varnish. LE and TE are short strips of balsa. I gave Fred’s Sauce a few drops of Carmin acrylic but forgot about the fact that Carmin is very translucent. After a light sanding, I gave it another coat with Umber mixed in which will give a better contrast. When preparing some Sauce, it’s better to foresee a small container with a lid allowing to use it without problem during several days. As the pic shows, there are a lot of brush strokes probably due to the cheap nylon brush. Never had that before so back to the good quality artist brush that I used earlier. Hakuna matata & stay safe all Chris BRU - BE / CTR NACA 3414 Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hello again, Unfortunately, the ‘sky was crying’ all day here in BE. Close to impossible to work outside to sand the test piece… A little planking will do instead, I guess. Getting there slowly… Hakuna matata & stay clear all Chris BRU - BE / CTR Rain Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Nice planking Chris, how's Iris n Gaston, both well I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Thank you, John. You know, this is really the easy part of the planking especially compared to the tail end. I really like it more and more. In fact, I've even been making some sketches for a small - +/- 400mm - 'Chris Craft' or 'Runabout' type motorboat... Iris is doing well, thanks. As our confinement has been a bit 'relaxed' since the beginning of the week, she's partly back to the office & homeworking half time. Gaston has a bit of problems with his sanity mask as the rubber bands interfere somehow with the size of his 'auditive sails'... Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hi out there, I made a start on gluing the first ribs of the port wing using a ‘dummy’ top spar to check the alignment. My trusty Duplos and my sandbags are still ‘part of the deal’ here. I do realize it all looks a bit ‘amateur’ but it just works for me… besides the fact that I don’t have any Campbell soup tins at hand… Sarcastic smiles at the back of the classroom are fully allowed though… While the Aliphatic was drying, I took the opportunity of a dry weather outside to attack the wing test-piece. (to be continued) ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 (continued) A few words of explanation for those interested. The white ‘lane’ at the bottom is just the glassed Depron as it was before the Sauce test. The pink lane is the sanded Carmin first coat while the rest is the later mixed coat offering a better contrast. The sanding of the mixture is fast and easy, but the thin Depron and glassing are a bit too soft. They tend to ‘sag’ showing the spars and ribs too easily. No probs, as this will not be the case with the Dog’s wooden sheeting and the thicker glass cloth. Hakuna matata & stay safe, please Chris BRU - BE / CTR Sagging Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Hello again, Clouded sky here in BE, but at least dry and no wind. . Perfect for a partial coat of yellow to the test piece. As you can notice, I decided to try without a primer coat, but the yellow has some difficulties to cover the brownish underground. 'Nice try', but I will use a thin primer coat for the Dog. As Jean Gabin, a French movie comedian, said at the end of his life: “Now I know, I know that we never know”… While that was drying, I went on with the fuse planking… and got it completed… As from today, the last fuse plank is a fact. Hakuna matata & stay clear Chris BRU - BE / CTR Primer Control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Oooh all done. John. Short plank Dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Lovely neat planking Chris, a work of art! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 Thank you both, John & Phil. As I mentioned in my OP, the planking experience was one of the main reasons to start the Sabre build. Now with that part done, I can't really 'stop' the build now, can I? By the way, I never used to totally sheet a wing either. Let that be a valid reason to persevere then... Speaking of sheeting, I have a question, please... I duly noted Phil's method of sheeting with the pins to the main spar, the weighted down TE and the 'baton/pinned' LE. But do all the concerned parts (ribs, TE, LE, hinge blocks, etc.) get some glue at once? In fact, using Deluxe Aliphatic mainly, I'm somehow afraid that the glue will start to go off before having the time to getting the sheeting properly in place. I noticed my PVA (Belgian brand Soudal) is 'slower' to start drying. Should I preferably use PVA then? Thank you in advance for the mountains of perfectly structured advices. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 ... well, I guess all the Glue Gurus are spending their WE in Brighton then... Have a safe WE, gents Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirk tinck Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Hi,Chris ! As you can see in my blog -begin ,i glue the sheets together before glueing them on the ribs. This way i can sand the skins in advance. If you sand the skin after offering it to the wing ,then you sand more on top of the ribs and less between the ribs.(you push the sheeting down) Result :a golf terain ! There's only 2 glues in my shop :epoxy and zap ,red and green. Cheers friend ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hija Dirk, ... and thanks for your reply. Yep, I saw your method of 'joining' sheets on different blogs. That's exactly what I did including the sanding while they were flat on the board. The sheeting is also cut with the correct angle at the root and an small overhang (about 15mm) at the LE, TE and wingtip. So far, so good, I guess... My main question was regarding the glue to use to have enough time to pin/weight it down. In my case, Aliphatic or PVA? I don't have CA - which I suppose the Zap products are.- as I never used it before. Anyhow, a big thanks for your answer. I can only hope to get some clues about which glue to use. Cheers & stay safe, mate Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Elen Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hi Chris, Either of those two will do the job and as long as it isn’t really hot while you are doing it, will give you time to get it in the right place and pinned down. If it was me, I’d be using Aliphatic. (The normal stuff, not the superphatic) Cheers Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hi Mark, Thank you so much for answering my query. After I got your reply, I did spend some time doing some testing with both of the glues. At ambient temperature - 21 > 23°C - in La Grotte, both glues are starting to 'take off' between 4 & 6 minutes. I then made a 'bain-marie' with water out of the fridge at 7°C and had the glues cooling off in it for some time. The result for both was then a working time of 8 to 9 minutes. A lot better as it is then controllable/repeatable for this use. I'll stick to your advice and use the Aliphatic. Thanks again & stay safe, Mark Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Cooke Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Sorry Chris, been away from my PC most of the weekend. Regarding your question - But do all the concerned parts (ribs, TE, LE, hinge blocks, etc.) get some glue at once? - Yep - all the top surfaces of all these components got a good coating of (in my case) white PVA before the top skins were weighted and pinned and battoned down. Apols for slow reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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