Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Been looking at this a bit more closely. Denis Bryant used a Merco 61 on the prototype with the head protruding through the bottom of the cowl very slightly. One thing the observant will have spotted is that there isn't much in the way of ducts and vents in the super smooth cowl. This is making me think that cooling will be a problem, even more so for an ic engine. Anyone got any thoughts on how we will cool the motor (and ESC)? I did spend some time pondering this at about 5:00am this morning and the only thing I can think of is a removable cover somewhere under the prop at the bottom of the cowl which can be removed when the model is flown. I am starting to think that electric will be the way to go. I suspect a scale prop will be about 12" diameter Martyn Edited By Martyn K on 12/07/2017 09:14:31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi Andy That's great.. glad to see you here. Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Keld 1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm going to go electric haven't seen the plan yet but was thinking about putting the ESC in the radiator the motor I have will drive a 16+8 prop at 10000+rpm without getting warm probably overkill but I may need the nose weight also as a mechanic too much power doesn't exist you can control the throttle what would be the scale prop dia. And rpm at this size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Great to have you joining in Nev, Vince and Andy. I did have a messenger chat with Andy about cooling and for IC a sprung cheater flap where you suggest Martyn would be one way, with air vented out through the radiator. Even electric will need some. The exhausts are left open to aid airflow too. I am sure we can figure it out CheerdDanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Keld 1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 How about an internal duct from the rad intake going forwards to exit under the motor and flowing around the battery exiting from the rear of the rad.ESC mounted in the rad it looks quite deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Keld 1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wife's going shopping tomorrow will order the plan while she's out can't wait to have a peruse as have a week or so to go before I have to start work again time to set up my shed methinks l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Fane Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'm signed up. Parts ordered cheers Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Parts ordered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I've just ordered the whole caboodle from Craig. When it arrives the box will stand next to the one with the Warbirds Spitfire in it, but I'll get there. I'm at home today and working on the Chipmunk. I've always wanted to do a CR42 but the Spanish Fury will do in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Keld 1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Trying not to seem too keen but absolutely fizzing at the bung to build this as its been the one and only scale model I've had any desire to build since I was 10 years old thought a bit about about posting this in case its embarrassing but decided to anyway as 53years old now and very hard to embarrass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi Vince, its going to be a few months before this communal project starts. Can I suggest that perhaps you may want to build something in the interim to develop your building (and flying) skills. Perhaps one of the free plans from RCM&E. The Ballerina would be an excellent model IMHO. However, please do not start a diverse discussion here, have a look at the 2016 Mass build thread for ideas Best wishes Martyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Mine was the 8 th order Craig had taken so far so I think there are a few people getting exited Vince. Nev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Keld 1 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Wasn't trying to start a diverse discussion but will finish my own design electric glider and join a club here in Victoria before even starting this build have only recently moved here from wa. Sorry for being so keen but for a first proper scale model I was looking forward for some help if needed and maybe be able to add some thing to the thread even if it just enthusiasm can't afford the wood pack but as Danny has said patterns are on the plan I will order it tomorrow when it gets here I'll have a look and go from there I'm not trying to start earlier than planned but as I said earlier I've wanted to build this since I was 10 years old plenty of time to accumulate materials and experience before the build starts can't promise I'll wait until October though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 and now we are 9 Danny F Chris McG 6969 Martyn K Colin Leighfield Fats Nev Vince Andy S Martin F Fantastic support chaps, really pleased.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 You don't have to make any promises, Vince. But obviously, if you're looking forward to some help from the gurus around here, I would suggest you to wait for the 'common' Master Class to start. Plenty of time for you in between to sharpen up your building - and flying - skills. I've only ever build one model - Peter Miller's Ballerina - and it took a steep learning curve and sixteen months to see it finished. Of course using different materials - mainly Depron, ply & composites - than originally planned didn't make it 'easier'. Next will be a Svenson Vicomte with as much as scalish details as I can during next winter giving me another step forward. So, I can only second Martyn's advice to build something like a Ballerina in between. If you have been patiently waiting for over forty years, forteen months can't be that hard. Up to you of course, young man. @ Danny > Will your 'classroom' be large enough... ? Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi Chris, these virtual classrooms are great, I can throw the black board eraser at one or all of you at once, even Andy sat at the back in the corner Vince can you check your PM's I have sent you a message which you will want to read I promise.... Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi all A couple of points. We are currently getting 20% discount - this is on top of the current 20% off - ie a total saving of about 35%. The Traplet sale ends on the 31st July so stop prevaricating. Our 20% discount will still continue beyond July though. Just to be clear, the planned start date for this Scale Mass Build is October 2018 This is to allow time for those of us who have builds under way (I have 3 at the moment) to get them completed. So - the plan is: 1. We engage as many people as possible. Some may have to save money to buy the kit and other hardware 2. We discuss and procure the hardware needed. There are a few tricky bits in there - the wheels come to mind 3. We will create a new sub forum (like 'Chip Shop' ) , so looking for a catchy name 4. Mentally - start the problem solving - there are lots of things we need to do with this that will test all of us. You may have your own ideas, its as much about sharing ideas rather playing follow the leader 5. Its important that we all do start more or less together otherwise the concept of a mass build simply evaporates. Anyone who wants to go it alone, feel free to do so, its not a dictatorship, but we will all lose out if we go our separate ways. 6. Start collecting evidence for the aircraft you want to replicate. This can be very time consuming depending on the limited choices of prototypes still available for close inspection. In the meantime, have fun.. Martyn & Danny Edited By Martyn K on 12/07/2017 14:10:51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Not sure if I can find a Spanish Hawker Fury with Hispano Suiza engine anywhere! I'll do the best I can with whatever I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 This is a list of remaining Fury Hind etc and where they are. If anybody has any other info please let us know? Fury K5674 Fury Mk.I, is owned by the Historical Aircraft Collection and based at the Imperial War Museum Duxford in the United Kingdom. G-CBZP Hart J9941 RAF Museum, Hendon, UK K4972 trainer RAF Museum, RAF Cosford, UK K6636 Aero Vintage, Westfield, UK 714 Royal Swedish AF Museum, Linkőping, Sweden Hind RAF Museum, RAF Cosford, UK G-AENP/ Shuttleworth Collection, Old Walden, UK G-CBLK/L7181 Aero Vintage, Duxford, UK L7180 National Aviation Museum, Ottawa, Canada NZ1518 Classic Aircraft Collection, Subritzky, New Zealand NZ1535 Classic Aircraft Collection, Subritzky, New Zealand NZ1554 Classic Aircraft Collection, Subritzky, New Zealand 4 to 6 in Afghanistan scrap yard Nimrod G-BURZ/K3661 Aero Vintage, Westerfield, UK G-BWWK/S1581 The Fighter Collection, Duxford, UK Tomtit G-AFTA/K1786 Shuttleworth Collection, Old Walden, UK Replicas Fury, airworthy, K1930 OO-HFU. Robert Landuyt Collection, Wevelgem Fury, static replica, Brooklands Museum NOT ON DISPLAY Fury, static K7271 replica, Wartime Aircraft Recovery Group Aviation Museum, Sleap Fury, replica fuselage, Canada (built by Aero Vintage & exchanged for Hind L7181 in 1985 So the two that are accesible are at Duxford. If the model is for fun or light competition, then any documented scheme will do. I am still keeping my options open and including the Nimrod Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I've just found a 1/72 scale model of the Spanish Fury by A Model on EBay (in the Ukraine)! I've ordered it. Hopefully it will be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ovenden Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Posted by Martyn K on 12/07/2017 14:07:30: 3. We will create a new sub forum (like 'Chip Shop' ) , so looking for a catchy name Martyn & Danny What about "Furiously Building" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 LOL - I like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 CREATIVE FURY for sub group I'm in plan cowl spinner and 3 view ordered Martian Edited By Martian on 12/07/2017 17:15:55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Posted by Martyn K on 12/07/2017 14:07:30: Hi all A couple of points. We are currently getting 20% discount - this is on top of the current 20% off - ie a total saving of about 35%. The Traplet sale ends on the 31st July so stop prevaricating. Our 20% discount will still continue beyond July though. Just to be clear, the planned start date for this Scale Mass Build is October 2018 This is to allow time for those of us who have builds under way (I have 3 at the moment) to get them completed. So - the plan is: 3. We will create a new sub forum (like 'Chip Shop' ) , so looking for a catchy name How about The Fury Class of 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn K Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 LOL Keep them coming. When we do the BT Mossie mass build in 2021, I have already bagged 'Mosquito Net' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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