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This is how I read it.

 

I passed the RCC in October, uploaded the pass certificate and the achievement now shows on the Go Membership portal.

 

My records show that it is in date until 3/10/2026.

 

Looks like I am going to have to take the test annually to keep my examiner rating.

 

Due to potential changes and amendments to Article 16.

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1) Has this examiner been a regular flyer at your club flying site over the previous 12 months ?

2) Is this examiner still able to demonstrate the 'B' certificate flight to a good standard for the discipline(s) you are ratifying them ?

3) Has this examiner been actively been promoting the achievement scheme within your club over the previous  12 months ?

 

These questions are intended to act as a useful prompt to secretaries....

If a secretary answers 'NO' to any of these questions, the system then presents them with three options;

 

1) Ratify as a club examiner. ???

 

I am confused.

 

 

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We have a BMFA REP who as part of the affiliation process has to ratify me as an examiner.

 

He is on the committee and is a regular at the patch. As such, he is well placed to confirm or otherwise:

 

1. Have I been a regular flyer? Yes.

2.With a bit of practice......yes!.

3.Completed a couple of A tests and teaching several new members, so yes.

 

If I didn't fulfill any of the above, I would expect to lose my examiner status.

 

I see what you mean about "Ratify as a club examiner" though. bit odd.

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1 hour ago, Andy Stephenson said:

Our area chief examiner says this missive doesn't specifically mention ACEs so his question is, does it apply only to ordinary club examiners.

It may be that the area coordinator will have to complete a similar exercise but it won’t apply to clubs as ACEs are not within their remit. 

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Simon how do you get your RCC pass to show on the membership portal, I went through the process and it wouldn't let me do the final confirm. I've asked Andy Symonds about this and didn't get an answer so I replied to his recent email, I'll let you know if he ever gets back to me on this, in the mean while does anyone know how to do this.

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I am sure that the changes are for the better. Probably very logical.

 

IMO what would be beneficial as an introduction to any change, not only this one, is the why.

 

By the "Why" I am suggesting, that the benefits of change need to be spelled out, what the weakness of the present arrangements are. Many will be self evident to some, for others some what opaque. There is also a danger that changes come across as to doctorial, top down management. 

 

In this case "The Times have Changed" from when the scheme was conceived and constructed. Particularly with respect to legislation and the scope of relationship with the regulators. The idea that people take the various schemes for personal achievement is probably not the principal reason. It could be part of requirement to hold a cert, to fly unsupervised, or perhaps to avoid some CAA online tests. Surely these changes should be recognised in premonition of the scheme (maybe title).

 

The why is important to me, it is easier to buy into, when you understand the reasoning.

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Erfolg

The changes have been discussed by the Achievement Scheme Review Committee (ASRC) over some time and there has been plenty of opportunities for examiners and members to comment. The formal announcement is no surprise to people who keep an eye on achievement scheme matters.

 

I think the main 'why' is to avoid the potential 'rubber stamping' of club examiners who may have not kept up with the latest regulations or even become less capable of flying the tests themselves, through illness for example. With these latest rules it at least forces the club officials to consider who they are putting in the examiner position and ensuring that they are up to date, interested in promoting the achievment scheme and capable of flying themselves.

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1 hour ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said:

1) Has this examiner been a regular flyer at your club flying site over the previous 12 months ?

2) Is this examiner still able to demonstrate the 'B' certificate flight to a good standard for the discipline(s) you are ratifying them ?

3) Has this examiner been actively been promoting the achievement scheme within your club over the previous  12 months ?

 

These questions are intended to act as a useful prompt to secretaries....

If a secretary answers 'NO' to any of these questions, the system then presents them with three options;

 

1) Ratify as a club examiner. ???

 

I am confused.

 

 

 

It could apply to me.

 

I meet all the criteria at my main club where I fly 3-4 times a week. But I am also a Member and the sole examiner at a small specialised slope soaring club where I don't meet criteria 1), only flying 3-4 times a year, but they know me well. The system still allows them to re-ratify me should they so wish.

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1 hour ago, Erfolg said:

I am sure that the changes are for the better. Probably very logical.

 

IMO what would be beneficial as an introduction to any change, not only this one, is the why.

 

By the "Why" I am suggesting, that the benefits of change need to be spelled out, what the weakness of the present arrangements are. Many will be self evident to some, for others some what opaque. There is also a danger that changes come across as to doctorial, top down management. 

 

In this case "The Times have Changed" from when the scheme was conceived and constructed. Particularly with respect to legislation and the scope of relationship with the regulators. The idea that people take the various schemes for personal achievement is probably not the principal reason. It could be part of requirement to hold a cert, to fly unsupervised, or perhaps to avoid some CAA online tests. Surely these changes should be recognised in premonition of the scheme (maybe title).

 

The why is important to me, it is easier to buy into, when you understand the reasoning.

 

If you just read the text of the email in the first post of this thread, it explains why the changes are being made:

 

1) To have the scheme administered centrally by the BMFA office as some club secretaries may not hold all the data on their examiner (and the fact that they may be an examiner at more than one club).

 

2) That examiners now have to pass the RCC every year to stay current with air laws as they have seen changes in recent years.

 

3) To ensure the examiner has been active enough in the previous year to warrant re-ratification.

 

It's perfectly clear.

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Alan

 

The 1,2,3 headings are not a why, they are a statement of what is happening. 

 

The why is the administrive benefits, a comprehensive centralised listing.

 

With respect to point 3, is being active (capable of demonstrating the B cert)an obvious benefit.  If I consider Football. Can any of the managers be capable of understating their previous roles as players, now? I can appreciate the reason, as being able to demonstrate a manoeuvre to a pupil.

 

I believe that most if not all aspects of the BMFA should address all of the membership, not only those closely related to any aspect. The so called mission statements and the whys of change should involve all.

 

Non of this would I prepared to die in a ditch over. I do like the idea, that the ordinary membership, value the BMFA. Not just see the BMFA as the insurance broker etc.

 

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Questions 1 and 3 are quite reasonable.

 

Question 2 (the 'B' cert. flight to a good standard...), who on a club's committee is qualified to answer this unless he himself is an examiner? And what if the examiner concerned doesn't agree with the secretary / committee's decision?

 

Surely shouldn't examiners performance be verified regularly (not necessarily annually) by an Area Chief Examiner? And his performance needs to be verified too.

 

I completely understand the need to ensure that examiners are 'up to scratch' but that should be determined from within the scheme.

 

The 'Retired Examiner' certificate.... hmmm can't imagine a large queue for those somehow.

 

Brian.

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The numbered headings are mine and were takeaways from the BMFA document at the top of the thread. They certainly contain enough "why" to satisfy me.

 

Football is irrelevant when we are talking about examining model flyers and their ability to know the air laws, safety codes and be able to demonstrate flying competence.

 

At risk of repeating myself, the document details a change to the ratification requirements, in that the examiner MUST PASS the RCC every year. The document explains the "why" as the air laws have and are changing.

 

I just think you are bad at reading.

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1 hour ago, Andy Stephenson said:

Simon how do you get your RCC pass to show on the membership portal, I went through the process and it wouldn't let me do the final confirm. I've asked Andy Symonds about this and didn't get an answer so I replied to his recent email, I'll let you know if he ever gets back to me on this, in the mean while does anyone know how to do this.

 

hello Andy,after i had done the RCC,it said it would be added to my list of achievments,and shortly afterwards(nxt day) it appeared..

 

ken anderson...where's andy's RCC gone dept.

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Dunno why ACEs have been brought into this ?

Not sure why people are posting they agree with 1,2,3 re ratification either, did the O.P say otherwise ?

If we take that as NO, we get to secretaries options number 1, he can ratify even if examiner fails to meet criteria ???

 

Are we setting a standard or not? Or are we shoving it on to secretaries to do it. When will the secretaries workshops commence ?

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27 minutes ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said:

The whole club decides at ours, they get "prompted" to.

This email says if he/she fails the criteria, we/I can still ratify, option one makes a mockery of the scheme, either do it right or not at all.

Could be reasons - examiner might have been working away from home, broken his leg in spring and missed the bulk of the year, had problems at home etc. but be keen and able to continue in the new year.  The ethos is to get the club to consider the renewal rather than the secretary simply ticking the box on the renewal paperwork.

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