kc Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Well having asked an ex policeman about this he confirmed my opinion that the driver of a motor vehicle is responsible for the damage done by the vehicle. It would seem the driver must pay for the damage if his insurers wont. ( it could be that they don't cover you if you are off road ) My opinion is that it is quite important for the club to try to get a negotiated settlement - any court action etc might have repercussions for the club. The club might even lose the field if the landowner gets involved or just hears there is a problem. Don't let authorities get involved! Find a club member who will repair or build a new wing and reward him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tee Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 KC we have advised it might not be in anyones interest to get the law involved for exactly that reason. It has quietened down at the moment so I can't update. Our landlord is very good and we don't want to upset him. Been on site for too many years. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 I’m not at all sure that the RTA applies to a private field - although it does apply to anywhere with public access such as a deserted supermarket car park etc. As such, any accidental damage claim is likely to be regarded as a civil matter so the club should simply advise the involved parties that they should sort the matter out off site and make it clear that the club won’t take sides or tolerate any bad behaviour at the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 hours ago, kc said: Well having asked an ex policeman about this he confirmed my opinion that the driver of a motor vehicle is responsible for the damage done by the vehicle. It would seem the driver must pay for the damage if his insurers wont. ( it could be that they don't cover you if you are off road ) My opinion is that it is quite important for the club to try to get a negotiated settlement - any court action etc might have repercussions for the club. The club might even lose the field if the landowner gets involved or just hears there is a problem. Don't let authorities get involved! Find a club member who will repair or build a new wing and reward him! I doubt a policeman, current or ex, has any more than layman expertise in the situation described in this thread. My opinion is pretty much the same as Martin's. The fact that John mentions in his last post that "It has quietened down at the moment" may be a sign that tempers have cooled & the two parties have (reluctantly?) come to see each other's POV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tee Posted June 22, 2022 Author Share Posted June 22, 2022 Martin, That was suggested from the outset, but reluctance on the two parts. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Collinson Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 First rule of mediation. If it becomes heated, separate the combatants and let them cool off. Can take several days. BTC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I suppose clubs need a rule that covers this situation and particularly mid air losses! With people spending ever increasing amounts on ARTF foam models there are likely to be expensive models (possibly unrepairable ) knocked out in a mid air by simple repairable balsa models. The old idea that mid airs are nobodys fault and each repairs their own model may no longer work! Maybe a rule that you bring a model along to the field at your own risk? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Taylor Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, kc said: I suppose clubs need a rule ................................................. Maybe a rule that you bring a model along to the field at your own risk? I certainly thought that's how it operates - otherwise where does it end? " You're to blame for me crashing because you made a sudden noise which distracted me". Can't be right. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 53 minutes ago, kc said: Maybe a rule that you bring a model along to the field at your own risk? We finally got there. Models are expendable in an instant, and this risk increases if you leave them on the ground underfoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, kc said: I suppose clubs need a rule that covers this situation and particularly mid air losses! Maybe a rule that you bring a model along to the field at your own risk? I have seen a few mid air's and a couple of planes walked on ( my Stuka tail in the 80's)it's your plane, your risk, your loss, it's a risk as you say so just get on with it life is to short,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Exactly Paul, life is too short 2 Mid airs, have chopped my model in half both times, But did they chop me Or did I just get in the way? We just got our other models out and tried again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 We already have a rule, each individual is responsible for his/her own actions, cost of the model is irrelevant, no matter how much blame shifting rears it's head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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