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Member postings for Steve J

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Thread: BMFA Update - Article 16 Authorisation
29/11/2020 09:55:22
Posted by cymaz on 29/11/2020 08:54:46:

I’m not sure the 1:1 rule is a particularly good idea. If a pilot is safely practicing prop hanging over the strip and a person walks over to the pilot against the advice of other members....that’s not the pilots fault.

If you are a few metres off the ground, the 1:1 rule is not a big deal. If you are thermal soaring at 1000ft, it's a bit more of an issue.

28/11/2020 20:25:59
Posted by MattyB on 28/11/2020 16:57:01:

I just wish the comms were more regular and transparent so that members could be more engaged and knowledgeable about where we are headed.


28/11/2020 20:25:35
Posted by Dickw on 28/11/2020 11:01:44:

Perhaps those who are not in the BMFA, SAA, LMA, or FPV UK need to form an association to read, analyse, and disseminate the relevant information to it's members. .

Flyers who are not members of the associations get a basic understanding of the legal basis of flying from doing the CAA competency test. A BMFA member with a 30 year old 'A' is exempt from doing this test.

28/11/2020 08:17:05
Posted by MattyB on 28/11/2020 00:25:30:

"However, we are still thrashing out the final details with the CAA"


Time for the BMFA to publish the current draft article 16 operational authorisation and get the members writing to their MPs.

Thread: LCD cockpit displays
26/11/2020 11:36:08
Posted by Roger Adams on 26/11/2020 10:26:16:

As has already been said the only real limit is the programming space within the arduino. This is in practice quite significant, however it’s usage is affected very much by programming technique.

I would suggest that you consider moving to a 32 bit processor, e.g. an ESP32 dev board or STM32 'Blue Pill' with an external 3.3V supply. They are a significant step up from the Uno/Nano in terms of processing power, flash and RAM.

Thread: How did that happen
25/11/2020 21:15:53
Posted by iflylilplanes on 19/11/2020 23:37:13:

... had a club member carted off to hospital for 57 stitches when the TX was turned off first, electric model chewed his fingers for arms and stomach. ...

Sounds like your club member did not have his failsafe set correctly. If that is the case, he is probably lucky that he injured himself and not a third party.

25/11/2020 21:09:32
Posted by GrumpyGnome on 23/11/2020 07:57:12:

As it adds no effort to use Tx on Rx on Rx off Tx off and it MAY reduce risk, why not get into the habit ?

Because nobody has come up with an argument as to why, with the equipment that I use, transmitter on first is safer than model on first.

Thread: New Spektrum NX range
25/11/2020 16:56:16
Posted by Trevor Crook on 25/11/2020 16:30:00:

At present, the price of an NX8 is $20 more than a DX8. Als Hobbies list it at £60 more.

Indeed. The UK shops seem to be putting a significant premium on the NX transmitters that is not there on HH's US site. An early adopter and their money are easily separated .

25/11/2020 14:58:39
Posted by J D 8 on 25/11/2020 13:29:36:

I was flying on the weekend using a Spectrum NX [ not sure if 6 or 8 ] ...

Setting up and testing his new Wot 4 was easy, much the same as as older Spectrums.

Good to hear. It looks like incremental upgrade to the DX series. It will be interesting to see where the prices stabilise. It looks like my answer to "What would I do if my DX9 died?" which I ask myself every now and again has become "Get an NX8".


IMHO anybody who moves to a certain German manufacturer at the moment is 'brave'.


Thread: How did that happen
22/11/2020 22:11:20

Posted by Peter Jenkins on 22/11/2020 20:26:51:

Try explaining your ratiknale to the insurance company's lawyer in the event of an accident!

In that unlikely event, I would quote from the instructions supplied by the manufacturer of my radio equipment.

Q. After I've bound the receiver to my transmitter, which do I turn on first when I want to fly?

A. Either one.

22/11/2020 21:59:31
Posted by Peter Jenkins on 22/11/2020 20:26:51:

You shouldn't assume I know nothing about safety crtical software!

I didn't assume anything. As you are so knowledgeable, you should have no problem answering the following:

Case (1) A transmitter sends a signal equivalent to 0% throttle to a receiver. The receiver translates this to a pulse width and transmits it to an ESC which decides that it is 0% and doesn't spin the motor.

Case (2) A receiver powers up. There is no signal from the transmitter that it is bound to. It either sends no signal to the ESC or sends the signal that it was previously programmed to send in the absence of a signal from the transmitter, i.e. 0%. The ESC doesn't spin the motor. If there is no signal, the ESC doesn't even arm.

Please explain why (1) is safer than (2) assuming that the failsafe was set correctly.

Please explain why (2) requires SIL rated software.

Note that (2) is what 2.4GHz receivers do prior to acquiring the signal from the transmitter to which they are bound.

Thread: JR XG7
22/11/2020 18:33:45
Posted by David Chapman 5 on 22/11/2020 16:33:47:

trying to set up a throttle safety dis-arm using the Aux 2 switch.

If memory serves (and it has been a while since I've programmed a basic JR) you do something like mix thro to thro with an offset of -170 and a value of -100%. If your radio has throttle curves, it is easier to use them.

Thread: Drone Accident
21/11/2020 19:50:19
Posted by Ady Hayward on 21/11/2020 18:15:55:

I seem to recall a rather costly space probe crashed during its landing phase due to a similar Feet/ metres conversion issue.

Mars Climate Orbiter failed to enter Mars orbit back in '99 due a metric/imperial units mix up.

Edited By Steve J on 21/11/2020 19:51:46

Thread: Spektrum NX6 Rx Voltage
21/11/2020 14:32:08
Posted by Chris King 3 on 21/11/2020 14:07:14:

I thought (perhaps ignorantly) that the Rx would return the LiPo voltage through the ESC.

Only if the ESC is one of Spektrum's Smart ESCs and the AR410 supports Spektrum's SRXL2 protocol.

Thread: Drone Accident
21/11/2020 12:58:21

Nice try by the LAPD, but, IMHO, the RCMP still have the best drone/helicopter collision.

Thread: How did that happen
21/11/2020 06:20:25
Posted by Peter Jenkins on 21/11/2020 00:05:29:

Posted by Steve J on 20/11/2020 17:09:51:

If you have a decent radio and take a bit of time to understand how to use it and setup your models correctly (both of which the OP appears not to have done) then it shouldn't matter if you power up the model before turning on the transmitter and turn off the transmitter before powering down the model. In fact, there is a pretty good case for saying that it is safer to do so.

Only if you believe that the software in the ESC is built to safety critical standards.

As it happens, I know a thing or two about control and safety systems.

What would you say the approximate probabilities of the of the following are:

  • A brushless ESC deciding to spin a motor in the absence of a signal commanding it to do so.
  • A receiver deciding to send a signal to an ESC telling in to spin a motor in the absence of a signal telling it to do so.
  • Maloperation of transmitter leading to a signal being set to the receiver telling it to spin the motor.

In my experience, maloperation of the transmitter is dominant, so having the transmitter off while you have your squishy bits near the prop is probably safer than having it on.

20/11/2020 17:09:51
Posted by Allan Bennett on 19/11/2020 20:18:08:

Even if your failsafe is set for zero throttle, you should always disconnect the model's battery before turning off the transmitter.

Why? If you have a decent radio and take a bit of time to understand how to use it and setup your models correctly (both of which the OP appears not to have done) then it shouldn't matter if you power up the model before turning on the transmitter and turn off the transmitter before powering down the model. In fact, there is a pretty good case for saying that it is safer to do so.

Thread: BMFA kick backs/discounts for clubs
17/11/2020 07:12:43

Society of Model Aircraft Engineers

16/11/2020 14:28:20

Posted by MattyB on 16/11/2020 11:27:25:

Personally I would like to see the BMFA adjusting to this reality and looking to cut costs aggressively in the next 2 years. This would help to offset the loss in members and enable the BMFA to push forward a more aggressive programme to replace lost members from the (seemingly quite large) group who have registered with the CAA but are not current members of national associations.

IMO one of problems that the BMFA have is that if you aren't a member of an affiliated club and only want insurance the BMFA cost almost twice as much as one of the other associations.

16/11/2020 11:34:32
Posted by Dickw on 16/11/2020 10:42:57:

The latest news from the AGM is here.

That is just the fees. Anybody know if anything interesting was said that isn't in the documents published before the AGM?

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