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Thread: Latest CAA Update
21/10/2019 21:47:52
Posted by Brian Stevenson 1 on 21/10/2019 21:35:57:

Of course they are toys. It's only pomposity causes us to call them anything else. EG being a member of the 'The Society of Model Aeronautical Engineers' when all I was doing was flying a KeilKraft 'Just slide the wing and tail into their slots and throw it' Cutie chuck glider in the back garden.

Funny how easily we can all get excited over our toys too! I've got a garage full of them BTW.

21/10/2019 21:20:26
Posted by Brian Stevenson 1 on 21/10/2019 21:18:23:
Posted by Jason-I on 21/10/2019 21:00:46:

Chris has apologised. Don't think he meant to cause offence. Anyway, I think most of us have a cheeky ARTF or foamy hidden away somewhere.

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 21:01:15

I am incapable of being offended, but I was amused laugh

Re the Cosmic Wind, It's a plane I have always fancied but not enough to bother to build from scratch. I had 'fondled' it twice before when I went in the shop (the now much missed Ripmax Hobbystores in Southampton). The salesmen, a keen and excellent flyer himself, said it's about time I bought it so I did. I bought a pumped OS91FS to go with it which cost another 300 quid. Toy planes are awful expensive, aren't they?

How dare you call them toys Sir. I represent that remark! wink

Thread: Protecting a plan
21/10/2019 21:05:42

I actually use the large clear polythene bags my wifes online clothes shopping comes in.......surprise

Thread: Latest CAA Update
21/10/2019 21:00:46

Chris has apologised. Don't think he meant to cause offence. Anyway, I think most of us have a cheeky ARTF or foamy hidden away somewhere.

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 21:01:15

Thread: Protecting a plan
21/10/2019 20:54:26

You can even buy a specific 'plan protection' sheet:

**LINK**

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Thread: Latest CAA Update
21/10/2019 20:42:04
Posted by Jason-I on 21/10/2019 20:26:38:
Posted by Steve J on 21/10/2019 20:21:06:
Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/10/2019 19:51:32:

I'm not quite sure what to make of the yearly fee when IIRC Mr Shapps asked them to look at reducing it below £5 was it?

I have seen it reported elsewhere that Mr Shapps told the CAA to get the fee below £10. I personally was hoping for £5.

Steve

The fact that it is still an annual fee against the advice of their own select committee annoys me more....

Also , still significantly more expensive than a drivers license (renewal works out at £1.40 per year and you get a free photo ID card thrown in).This despite the fact that cars kill approx 1,800 people in the UK every year, seriously injure 26,000 people ever year and cause 165,000 casualties every year! I wonder what they would do if aeromodelling caused a similar attrition rate?

Looking at those horrendous statistics, it makes you wonder why they are harassing us so much and not focusing on road safety instead. 

 

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 20:44:46

21/10/2019 20:26:38
Posted by Steve J on 21/10/2019 20:21:06:
Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 21/10/2019 19:51:32:

I'm not quite sure what to make of the yearly fee when IIRC Mr Shapps asked them to look at reducing it below £5 was it?

I have seen it reported elsewhere that Mr Shapps told the CAA to get the fee below £10. I personally was hoping for £5.

Steve

The fact that it is still an annual fee against the advice of their own select committee annoys me more....

21/10/2019 20:22:04
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 20:15:46:

All our passions are high Jason. Apologies for any offence. It’s not personal, it’s been a worrying time for us all who have invested god knows how many thousands of pounds and nearly 30 years into the hobby.

Apology accepted, and apologies offered form me too.

Passions are indeed high. I feel that our hobby is under attack. In the 30 years I have been in the hobby, threats to the hobby have never seemed higher and places to fly have never been scarcer.

21/10/2019 20:11:44
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 20:04:03:

Jason in answer to your question.

Well you and others have appeared to be grumbling about this subject a lot. I don’t want registration or fees, nor do any of us but we need to pick our battles and this is one we all chose to fight and we’ve got an outcome that is far better than it could have been.

Its not perfect and there will be bits to iron out but overall it’s far better than it could have been wouldn’t you agree?

Edited By Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 20:05:30

Apologies, which question are you answering?

21/10/2019 20:07:56
Posted by Chris Bott - Moderator on 21/10/2019 19:58:50:

Chaps if you want a slanging match then please go and find another forum. This is not the place.

This is an interesting time in this saga so I don't want to close this thread. But at this rate, that's not far off.

Apologies Chris. Please feel free to delete the unsavoury posts! My passions were inflamed after being accused of not being a proper aeromodeller just because I don't like this new legislation! I have expended a significant amount of time and effort campaigning against this new legislation and to be honest, I just don't see any fruits of my labour!

21/10/2019 19:53:05
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:22:36:

You ungrateful bunch of moaners who clearly aren’t Aeromodellers but occasional flyers when you can be bothered. Rather than what have we gained? You should be asking what have we avoided losing??

 
It certainly is your choice but this battle has been won with a few losses. There will be further battles ahead and those are the ones to concentrate on when the time comes.

 

But what about the grounds for your accusations?

 

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:56:01

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:56:31

21/10/2019 19:49:56
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:43:36:
Posted by Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:35:57:
Posted by Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:27:52:
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:22:36:

You ungrateful bunch of moaners who clearly aren’t Aeromodellers but occasional flyers when you can be bothered. Rather than what have we gained? You should be asking what have we avoided losing??

Note also that I have expended more that the paltry £7.50 saving on campaigning my MP, the CAA, the DfT etc etc. Have you?

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:36:45

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:41:27

I certainly have. I, like many others have responded to every CAA and EASA consultation, spoken with my MP and done everything possible I can do, like many.

and what about your accusations?

21/10/2019 19:48:59
Posted by john stones 1 on 21/10/2019 19:46:01:

But what gives you the right to say we are not proper aeromodellers just because we don't want to roll over and play dead?

And what gives you the right to accuse others of rolling over and playing dead ?

I didn't accuse anybody of that. I just said that I don't want to roll over an play dead.

I will not be paying the fee and I will continue to campaign my MP, the Dft and the CAA. That's my choice. Its up to you what you do.

21/10/2019 19:43:14
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:41:02:

None of us wanted this regulation, we’ve happily existed for 100 years without incident but in the grand scheme of what could happen e been, this outcome is 100 times better than it could have been.

No doubt there will be more legislation in coming months and years but sadly that is the nature of the world.

Domestic gas boilers are set to be replaced, as are diesel cars, 2 Stoke garden equipment and filament light bulbs. It’s not always what we want but we need to accept there will be change and in this instance we have a positive outcome for 18p a week.

But what gives you the right to say we are not proper aeromodellers just because we don't want to roll over and accept this unjust tax?

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:44:38

21/10/2019 19:35:57
Posted by Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:27:52:
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:22:36:

You ungrateful bunch of moaners who clearly aren’t Aeromodellers but occasional flyers when you can be bothered. Rather than what have we gained? You should be asking what have we avoided losing??

 

Note also that I have expended more that the paltry £7.50 saving on campaigning my MP, the CAA, the DfT etc etc. Have you?

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:36:45

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:41:27

21/10/2019 19:27:52
Posted by Chris Berry on 21/10/2019 19:22:36:

You ungrateful bunch of moaners who clearly aren’t Aeromodellers but occasional flyers when you can be bothered. Rather than what have we gained? You should be asking what have we avoided losing??

That's quite an insult to anybody who disagrees with this unfair legislation. What evidence exactly are you basing your bias on our aeromodelling passions on? I could say the same to you - you clearly are not a proper passionate aeromodeller who does not want anybody interfering in our hobby.

And what exactly for that matter have we gained other than a small reduction in cost (for a limited time only no doubt).

 

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:33:47

21/10/2019 19:14:49

So much for the BMFA saying they would not police the system! Now they are the judge, jury and executioner!

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:15:05

21/10/2019 19:10:21
Posted by Peter Jenkins on 21/10/2019 19:03:08:
 

I shall now un-bookmark this post as it is clear that some on this forum will never be satisfied with a compromise. Thank goodness you doom mongers were not in charge of negotiating this outcome. Good bye!

 

It's not a compromise at all, it's a whitewash. They are using the BMFA as the taxman (to make it seem more friendly). The door is firmly open to ramp the cost up year on year (there is no agreement on what the cost will be in future years). The have completely ignored the advice of their own select committee.

 

 

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 19:17:27

Thread: Ben Buckle Falcon Build
21/10/2019 19:03:24
Posted by Cuban8 on 21/10/2019 17:17:18:

I'm not really an aficionado of vintage models for myself, but many of my club mates are. Several have fallen into the trap of over - powering R/C conversions of classic free flight models (IC and electric) and have inadvertently suffered catastrophic wing failure when now able to fly in conditions that would have grounded the FF originals. The extra power and R/C does give the old 'uns a new lease of life, but beware of the light construction for FF when flying them more enthusiastically than they were intended for. If sufficient extra strength hasn't been added to the original structure (wing spars in particular), think seriously of doing so. Maybe this has already been considered with the BB kits, but I thought I'd just mention it. as it's heartbreaking to see lovely trad models break up when pushed a tad too far.

Good luck and enjoy the build and flying yes

Thanks for the tips, I'll bear them in mind.

I'm only planning on flying this slowly and leisurely - and with the motor off as much as possible. Looking at the plan (which I have been looking at for a couple of years), it does seem over engineered for a free flight model, and as such more suitable for RC than most free flight designs. This will be my lazy Sunday sitting in a chair on a nice sunny day flyer. Besides, the attraction was as much about the build as the flying! wink

If on completion, I have over powered it, then I could always run on 3s instead of 4s or change the prop to tame it down.

Thread: Latest CAA Update
21/10/2019 18:49:37
Posted by Peter Jenkins on 21/10/2019 18:46:46:

Excellent outcome, Well done the BMFA and the other model aircraft organisations.

 

I disagree. They are just using the BMFA as henchmen to collect our annual registration fee. If the BMFA want to collect an additional fee from me to hand over to the DfT/CAA, then I'll be leaving the BMFA.

I simply refuse to pay this unfair tax.

Edited By Jason-I on 21/10/2019 18:51:30

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