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Thread: Beer Theft, What shall i doooo
13/01/2015 17:48:55

Take some of the Bottle tops the lad has put on with you when you visit his father, chances are they are his tops for something like his own home brewing or he has noticed some in the house etc and will go further towards proving your point while you are there

Thread: Gatwick drone pilot arrested
02/01/2015 17:15:01
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 02/01/2015 16:32:38:
Posted by Codename-John on 02/01/2015 15:23:33:

Still not what YOU think I should say you mean ?

I'm not asking you to say anything you would not wish to say or do not believe. All I'm trying to do is suggest that there are two sides to the story, a fact which seems to be conveniently overlooked by those who choose to see it as yet another chance to have a pop at the police and are too narrow-minded or naive as to be unable to appreciate the bigger picture.

I do mind you saying so please stop trying to patronise me, and perhaps you should read the advice given out by the Met Police -

No intention to patronise you, I'm sure - just making an observation. Your suggestion to arrest everyone else was the wrong answer, I'm sorry to say, so you may not be cut out for a difficult, demanding and sometimes dangerous job where every decision you make can be subject to forensic scrutiny by those with the benefit of time, hindsight, law books and a comfortable office - oh, and not forgetting every Tom. Dick and Harry on the internet.....smile

The press and the public
If someone distressed or bereaved asks the police to stop the media recording them, the request can be passed on to the media, but not enforced.

We're not talking about distressed or bereaved people but a crime scene or images of deceased persons, so that doesn't apply in this instance.

Pete

Of course we are talking about bereaved or distressed people otherwise what has the camera man done ?

Even if it was a crime scene Point 1 of the Met guidance says -

Freedom to photograph and film
Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.

Please show us the reports of the 100 marauding carny men Pete, or is this just something that you've invented to make it look like the police had no other option than to arrest the camera man before a breach of the peace occurred, as all I can find any reference to is some "complaints from local residents and bystanders". Along with your disturbing descriptions of someone you have never even met earlier in the thread, you are making things up to fit your narrative based purely on conjecture. IF THATS WHAT IT TAKES TO PASS A POLICE ENTRANCE EXAM IT DOESNT BODE WELL FOR THE NATIONS FUTURE

02/01/2015 15:23:33
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 02/01/2015 15:18:05:
Posted by Codename-John on 02/01/2015 12:56:01:
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 02/01/2015 10:00:51:

You still haven't answered the question, though. What if, despite being asked nicely, he refused to land the drone? How are you going to resolve it?

by locking up the people threatening to harm a law abidng citizen with violence ! they are the one breaching the peace and acting in an unlawful manner with their threatening behaviour !

Nope, still not there, John...smile

He wasn't a law-abiding citizen at the time as his actions were likely to provoke a Breach of the Peace. As I mentioned in an earlier reply, the eminently-sensible J of the P Act 1361 took the view that if 1 person is upsetting 100, you remove the source of the antagonisation. That's how policing works - 95% commonsense and 5% legislation.

So, doing it your way, you'd arrest 100 people who had been genuinely and understandably moved to outrage by this person? If you don't mind me saying so, perhaps it's best if you stick to your day job.....wink 2

Pete

Still not what YOU think I should say you mean ?

I do mind you saying so please stop trying to patronise me, and perhaps you should read the advice given out by the Met Police -

The press and the public
If someone distressed or bereaved asks the police to stop the media recording them, the request can be passed on to the media, but not enforced.

Edited By Codename-John on 02/01/2015 15:24:33

02/01/2015 14:57:50

THIS bit of advice from the Met police given out to its officers sums it up quite well, It might be a different force but the same law applies throughout England, especially the paragraph 4th from bottom, the last one I`ll pick out -

Freedom to photograph and film
Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.

Contact with photographers, reporters and television crews is a regular occurrence for many officers and staff. The media influences our reputation so it's crucial to maintain good working relations with its members, even in difficult circumstances.

Creating vantage points
When areas are cordoned off following an incident, creating a vantage point, if possible, where members of the media at the scene can see police activity, can help them do their job without interfering with a police operation. However, media may still report from areas accessible to the general public.

The press and the public
If someone distressed or bereaved asks the police to stop the media recording them, the request can be passed on to the media, but not enforced.

02/01/2015 12:56:01
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 02/01/2015 10:00:51:

 

You still haven't answered the question, though. What if, despite being asked nicely, he refused to land the drone? How are you going to resolve it?

Pete

 

by locking up the people threatening to harm a law abidng citizen with violence ! they are the one breaching the peace and acting in an unlawful manner with their threatening behaviour !

Edited By Codename-John on 02/01/2015 12:58:06

02/01/2015 01:59:04
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 02/01/2015 00:19:11:

 

On one side you have a group of very upset people who really don't give a fig for your efforts to pacify them and are determined to sort the problem out for themselves unless you act quickly. You know that if they get near the guy, it will end very badly for him - and possibly for some of your lads. On the other side, you have a self-centred, fat-headed oaf who really doesn't give a damn whom he upsets or how much trouble he causes, just as long as he can stand on his 'rights' and do whatever he likes.

 

 

I`d land my Drone and walk away before either of them got any closer 

But seriously, Once again you are making assumptions ( and possible libellous descriptions ) about a usually law abiding if misguided citizen based on nothing but conjecture.

If it was me as the police officer I would probably explain to this usually law abiding, seemingly resonable person ( whom had the decency to seek out permission and also inform me or one of my colleagues of his actions before he started, of which I possibly informed him I had no problem with and allowed him to proceed ), that there had been complaints since he started his activity and I was now withdrawing the previous consent, I would give him a specific time frame in order to land his craft and sent him on his way, no problems

Instead of shouting orders at him and when he didn't immediately comply, recklessly or negligently endangered an aircraft, persons or property by snatching a controller for which I had no clue how to operate, out of his hand, then to justify my actions needlessly locked him up for 5 hours. Then tried to control the damage from the possible bad press of my illegal and dangerous actions by getting my PR department to release a derogatory statement about the individual to the local rag without implicating me in my actions in any way

Edited By Codename-John on 02/01/2015 02:00:58

Thread: Have a Rant
01/01/2015 23:47:04
Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 01/01/2015 23:08:52:

try "nipping" to few of the other threads - you might find out what the forum is about! wink 2

BEB

I`ll nip to whatever interests me at the particular time, thanks for your concern

Thread: Gatwick drone pilot arrested
01/01/2015 23:43:22

Ok but there was no need for them to break the law by endangering his aircraft, camera and possibly anything in the surrounding area in the process, and there should be some recourse on the officers involved as blatently 2 laws have been broken, as you have stated yourself ignorance of the law is no excuse for not following it.

Endangering safety of an aircraft

137. A person must not recklessly or negligently act in a manner likely to endanger an aircraft, or any person in an aircraft.

Endangering safety of any person or property

138. A person must not recklessly or negligently cause or permit an aircraft to endanger any person or property.

The heavy handedness then also comes from keeping him locked up for 5 hours, when they could have removed him from the scene - potential breach of peace over with, if he returns then they have a case for locking him up if needed

Thread: Have a Rant
01/01/2015 22:39:41

Nah, i`ve been over on the multi rotor section too, was just popping back to reply to someone, if that's ok with you ?

01/01/2015 22:31:41
Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 01/01/2015 22:25:07:

Good to see you're still on model aeroplanes "John".

BEB

This is the "chit chat" section of the forum

Thread: Gatwick drone pilot arrested
01/01/2015 22:30:02

I morally think it was wrong of him to do what he did, but Criminally he did nothing wrong and that is what I will defend. As I said there is no difference morally in him and a camera man with a camera on his shoulder getting images, so why should he be specifically targeted just because he used a different method of camera equipment.

For there to be a breach of the peace and people to complain of his actions etc then it would imply there were others at the scene who had no business being there, What were these other people ( the people not connected to dealing with the incident ) doing there if not to Stand and Gawk at what was happening, what is the moral difference between them being there for their own purpose and him, yet he is the one who gets arrested and detained for 5 hours

Edited By Codename-John on 01/01/2015 22:35:37

Thread: Have a Rant
01/01/2015 22:20:14
Posted by Dave Hopkin on 01/01/2015 21:39:06:

Hands and fist may kill people BUT they never dont commit mass murder.... But I feel I am talking to someone who firmly believes in the 2nd amendment - I will end my comments on this theme here before it creates bad blood, as one who has seen what modern firearms do to human flesh I find your defence of them in civilian and largely untrained hands abhorent

Other things than Guns do commit Mass murder in the wrong hands though, Knives, Axes, Blunt objects, Coolaide, Zyklon B

There has been an unfortunate incident in Plymouth today involving an axe and a knife for instance, although not mass murder, there has still been a killing and injuries inflicted on people. If somebody chose to there would be no difference between somebody shooting a group of people or purposely driving a car into a crowd of people for instance, the crime is what should be punished not the inanimate object used.

The second amendment means nothing to me, I`m Welsh, my actual personal opinion of America in general is quite low, the fish rots from the head down as they say, when you look at what their government does around the world regarding Death, Guns, Bombs, When you have potential Presidential candidates cheering the execution of people by armed Militias without trial etc then is it any wonder many of the citizens are the way they are ?

Thread: Gatwick drone pilot arrested
01/01/2015 21:49:30
Posted by Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 01/01/2015 21:43:10:

Codename John - if you are ever overcome with the urge to make a post on this forum about model aircraft please do be sure to PM me - I'd hate to miss it!

BEB

Lol so multirotors and their pilots don't count as Model Aircraft now ?

01/01/2015 21:47:33

I find your description of this man quite offensive Pete, words such as " Idiot, specimen, Knuckle dragging followers" when he was acting in a legal manner, he has obtained a licence from the CAA allowing him to partake in such activity and had permission from the landowner,

The very fact he didn't get charged with any offence relating to the actual flying of the drone goes to show he committed no offence, it would be fairly easy to prove any offence given the amount of witnesses to it

My reply to you regarding the "news report" was on the basis you had asked us to "judge for ourselves what kind of man he is" based on the part you included in your post.

If you were tasked with sorting this out do you think Surrey Police would be classed as an independent witness in the matter ? I would suggest not, yet you automatically formed an opinion and tried to influence others in their opinion based soley on what their PR department released as a statement to the press

01/01/2015 21:03:47
Posted by Tony Bennett on 01/01/2015 21:01:28:

he had permission to fly from the field, did he have permission to overfly the fire site and take pictures.

that is the question.

Yes Link

Thread: Have a Rant
01/01/2015 21:01:15

Or look in the freezer part for ready made ones that take 4 mins to heat up ?

Thread: Gatwick drone pilot arrested
01/01/2015 20:58:49

From the pictures it would appear the guy is standing alone in a field, how is he, by operating with permission, safely and legally, the one causing a breach of the peace, the police caused more fuss and danger by their actions. Probably more like based on their opinion they've ordered him to stop what he was doing and they've got on their power trip when he hasn't complied, ( because he wasn't doing anything legally wrong ) then excused their behaviour by a trumped up charge they don't actually have to prove

01/01/2015 20:20:20
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 31/12/2014 21:47:41:

ps Here is a news report on the matter. Judge for yourself just what sort of person he is:

Surrey Police said the arrest was made following complaints from local residents and others in the area where a mother and her two young children had died.

Detective Chief Inspector Antony Archibald said: "A number of uniformed officers and detectives were sent to the scene of this tragic incident to assist Surrey Fire and Rescue Service with their investigation.

"While in attendance, concerns about the behaviour of a man were raised to officers from people who believed he was acting in a disrespectful and intrusive manner.

"At the time of the arrest, the main focus for officers and fire crew at the scene was to conclude the initial forensic investigation and to allow the dignified removal of the bodies of those who had sadly died.

"This was a deeply distressing incident which has devastated the community and the impact will be felt for some time. The thoughts of all at Surrey Police are with those affected by the fire."

A police spokesman said that once the "risk of the breach of the peace" had ended, the man was freed from police custody.

Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 31/12/2014 21:51:01

That's not a news report though, that is a one sided press release statement released from Surrey Police reported as "news", you cannot judge anything about a person from that.

What is the difference between a news reporter standing with a normal camera on his shoulder trying to get film footage at a tragic event and someone using a "drone" ?

Thread: Have a Rant
01/01/2015 19:56:42
Posted by Pete B - Moderator on 01/01/2015 19:05:21:

Looking at your FBI stats link, CJ, you seem to have overlooked the 6220 who were killed with handguns..... and that poor misguided woman sure as heck didn't have an assault rifle or shotgun in her handbag.....smile

Using your source, out of 12664 murder victims, 8583 died as a result of a firearm. You can be as selective as you like to try and prove a point but the fact remains, giving the great unwashed unfettered access to guns can only make things worse.

Pete

I guess you missed my third paragraph then Pete ?

That was a reply to Dave, who singled out "assault" weapons ( don't all weapons assault you in some way or another ? ) which rifles are classed as, and were in the majority used in school shootings he points out, the facts show that hands and fists killed more people than the entire range of assault weapons Dave thinks are so bad.

As I did point out lower down 67% of homicides are committed with guns, however I don't see how you can class the entire 320+ Million population of the US as "the great unwashed" and I`m quite sure many of them may object to your description, as obviously the majority of gun owners do take responsibility of their guns properly.

When you think of the amount of guns, crime, gangs etc we know are in America by the fact that there were 8583 murders with firearms I`d bet the percentage of legally and properly owned guns that were used to kill is a very small percentage, and some of the victims would have still been killed if the Assailant didn't have a gun

01/01/2015 18:34:49

The FBI crime statistics for 2011 show that while 323 murders were committed with a rifle, 496 murders were committed with hammers and clubs. Shall we ban hammers and clubs? They are more dangerous than rifles.

Nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use shotguns. People are 60 percent more likely to die from a knife or sharp instrument than rifles and shotguns combined.

It is also true that 67% of homicides are committed by guns, but these homicides are mostly caused by handguns as opposed to the “assault guns” Dianne Feinstein believes must be banned.

As homicides with guns have gone down, the data also shows that the amount of people killed by hammers, clubs and other blunt instruments continues to rise each year though not to the level of gun deaths yet.

Edited By Codename-John on 01/01/2015 18:35:57

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