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Tony Nijhuis17/02/2015 13:39:33
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Well it seems that RCM&E are not content with just one Special a year, they have now decided to go for another.... two specials (the existing Autumn and the new Spring Special) and that means two plans from yours truly!!!!!

Now fortunately I had the next TND project on the go which was a DF powered Hawk so this is now going to be the Spring Special Plan.

After the roaring success of the DF Vulcan i though may be I have been missing a trick with this ducted fan lark....So the Hawk seemed the next logical step....So 42" span 4.5lb AUW very near scale, flaps and retracts and 70mm 6S fan unit to power it. Test flight is scheduled for next week so lets hope for some dry weather...

Happy days

john stones 117/02/2015 14:05:42
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Good luck with the weather and maiden Tonyhot


Olly P17/02/2015 14:55:10
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Sounds good - and a likely conversion candidate for PSS.....

Mowerman17/02/2015 15:30:17
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Sorry, everyone builds Hawks, should have been a Folland Gnat with Finnish and Indian Variants.

Alan Jarvis17/02/2015 19:13:05
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Just built the Vulcan and now looking forward to the Hawk. Tony, any chance of giving some details of the motor/fan etc so I can put them on my shopping list.

Pete B - Moderator17/02/2015 19:15:06
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Off-topic posts removed, folks - this thread is about a DF Hawk. If you wish to discuss other matters please start a thread in the appropriate section, thankssmile


FastFlyer Smyth17/02/2015 19:18:48
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very much looking forward to this one Tony !!

Gavin Livsey17/02/2015 19:40:13
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I'm in and watching.

ken anderson.17/02/2015 19:46:13
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well done Pete..tony lets have a photo or 3 please...the hawk will go down well......especially red arrow colours etc..

ken hawk dept.

Tim Mackey17/02/2015 21:01:32
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Keith Simmons17/02/2015 21:06:35
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Yuppie smile p

Tony Nijhuis17/02/2015 21:59:48
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Ok some development photos to whet your appetite

I have used an old Lander 68mm 5-bladed unit with a 2600kvs motor on 6S. This should deliver around 2.1kg of thrust which in theory will give a 1 to 1 thrust to weight ratio...!!!smiley The plan is this model has to RO cut grass which is a big ask as the retract wheels are quite small....still we shall see

I have kept this build very simple and very near scale so hopefully it will attract the the not so practiced builders out there and also the rooky DF modellers wanting to have a go (of which I am one of them)








Steve Adams17/02/2015 22:43:13
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Your becoming a dab hand at this edf malarky Mr N!

When this little beauty is done,will you do anymore edfs sir? If so I would love to see a Harrier, Meteor NF 11,or a ME 262 I really love jets as you can tell, particularly the classic ones are the best thumbs up

Steve smiley

stuey18/02/2015 08:37:19
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Looks like just what I need! And my wife cant complain as she works at Air Command and my 3yr old son loves the Red Arrows. It would most likely be a belly lander for me and maybe a bungee launch depending on the static thrust.

Are you planning to make an intake duct into the fan or leave it as per the pics?

Andy Meade18/02/2015 08:53:15
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Posted by Olly P on 17/02/2015 14:55:10:

Sounds good - and a likely conversion candidate for PSS.....

That's just what I was going to say wink

Looking good Tony cool

Alan Jarvis18/02/2015 09:35:15
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I am just wondering if it really needs a 6s battery I would have thought with a decent 11 blade fan and 4s would work. There would be a good saving in weight and cost, whilst it may not give 1:1 I am sure it would not be far off. Your Vulcan only uses 3s although not a speed machine.

Can we have a 90mm Eurofighter Typhoon next.

Tony Nijhuis18/02/2015 18:26:18
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Well its now ready for test flying and the AUW is just over 2.1kg. The fan unit I have measured is giving around 1.6kg of thrust which ties up with the Lander test video on their web site. Ran the model around the lumpy back garden and was able to push her round no problem.....with a summer mown strip, she ROG no problem.

Alan, your comment about the 4s version; I have a Dr MT 11 bladed 4S unit from hobby king, bought as an alternative. The thrust is similar to the Lander I'm using but the weight is 60g more. Because the 4S will draw more current to deliver the same power as the 6S, the batteries will need to be of larger least 5000mah.....(I used a 3300mah 6S for the Lander fan).......QED to deliver the same performance and duration, the 4S version actually turned out to be a heavier install......the key point to bear in mind here is use as higher voltage as possible as this will deliver the power at less current. 6S is a great size because most modern cheap charges and ESC will cope with 6S. Once you go above 6S, the cost of ancillary equipment increases alarmingly.

Stuey's point concerning intake ducts is an interesting one.......there is a benefit to a smooth intake but not a much as one might think. the most important element is the 'bellmouth' intake to the fan and most manufactures now fit these as they increase the performance and therefore placing less reliance on the modeller making smooth intake ducts or a kit manufacture producing a light composite product which adds weight. If we can avoid the difficulty of intake ducts on plan build models, it really opens up a more simplicity approach to ducted fan modelling with out be penalised on performance. Interestingly I have done some test with the Lander fan both in and out the model and there appeared no loss in performance!!!

Based on this simplistic and if the Hawk design is successful, I will certainly be adding more EDF's to the rangewink ...happy days

Bill_B18/02/2015 18:34:51
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If going for a bungee launch, surely the retracts and flap servos could be omitted saving a fair amount of weight and thus not only increasing the performance, but giving even better slow speed handling too.

I might just give this one a punt. thumbs up

stuey18/02/2015 20:10:37
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Thanks for the feedback on the ducting Tony. I have seen a few larger edf builds where there is no specific ducting and the fan is fitted with a bell inlet. I have also noted that turbine models have very little ducting and have all sorts of bits in the airflow, but I guess they have thrust to spare.

I would like to see a Eurofighter too, preferably 70mm but scaling up to 90mm would be easy enough. Please!!

Tony Nijhuis18/02/2015 20:42:14
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Correct.....there's no need to duct the inlet on to turbines....they simply deliver enough thrust so inlet duct become superfluous. The great thing with the current batch of EDF units is they are following in the foot steps of turbines....exciting times for EDF

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