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Recovering the F-86 Sabre

A strip, maintain and recover project

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Olly P28/07/2015 10:37:15
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Morning All,

I have mentioned in other threads (PSSA meets) that I have started the renovation of F-86 Sabre, this is a model I picked up from a fellow forumite some time ago and it has done a fair few flights since then. The covering is starting to look a little rough in places and I really enjoy flying her, so time for a change of clothes.

So I have so managed to strip the wings, with the help of my 2 year old (he liked this job!) to a reasonable degree, but not completely stipped yet. The ailerons need to come off and get done, as does the trailing edge.

Once that is done I intend to fill and patch the wing, and inset some magnets or steel strips to allow for the later addition of drop tanks (longer term project!), then glass cloth and Poly C with some lightweight cloth I have. I then intend to re-colour.

While all that is going on I also need to strip, inspect, repair recover and colour the fuselage. I think the fuselage bottom sheeting behind the wing seat is tarting to come away from the sub-frame so may need some work, as may the tail.

I hope to have it all done by the September PSSA meeting in South Wales, but will depend on other things, like getting the garden done!

Right - the new colour scheme....

will be posted once I upload it into my albums....

Olly P28/07/2015 10:45:17
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Sabre as was

So as she was before starting

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And as I want her to be once done.

Olly P28/07/2015 11:03:39
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I have been in touch with Tim at Model Markings who is working up a quote for both 'stickers' and a paint mask for me.

Either option I will need to look at how I put that 'gloss gold' finish onto the majority of the airframe. I am very tempted to try out one or more of my bulk spraying tools, the other option is to use spray paints in a can.....not sure which will work best....


Olly P28/07/2015 21:38:34
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Having done a bit more digging I have discovered that the original paint manufacturers for the gold are still going! They are even still making the original Light Gold paint, to the original mix!

They will even ship small quantities. The only fly in this otherwise great and golden ointment is that they are Canadian, and I don't know about international shipping.... I have emailed them and eagerly await a response.

Andy Meade29/07/2015 14:36:47
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Olly - that's dedication to the cause, finding the original paint! Good luck with the refurb, hope to see you soon yes

Olly P30/07/2015 10:57:08
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Thanks Andy - Will see you in September hopefully.

I was actually only looking for the RAL number of the paint to get a match, but a site run by a RCAF static modelling enthusiast lists the colour and links to the manufacturer so I thought it was worth a look!

If the cost is reasonable I will look at getting a small amount of the gold (enough to do the model and extended tanks if/when I build them), and then I thiink transfers from model-markings will be the way to go with the rest, all finished with a couple of coats of Poly-C over the top for protection.

First thing is to 'finish' the garden to get space and time to do more modelling. I will then look at putting the first laer of glass and Poly-C on the wings, stipping the ailerons while it dries, then more Poly C there, cover ailerons etc. in essence while things dry I want to be working on something else to achieve as much as possible in the limited time lumps I am likely to get.

I will hopefully have her ready for September, but can't commit!

Olly

Andrew Price 230/07/2015 11:24:27
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Amongst many others, I love the F86. It was just one of a whole host of great looking aircraft that forumites of a certain age enjoyed seeing and hearing. A great era to witness.

This model is going to look sooo good when it's done. Sept not long to wait for a video of the "maiden"!

Olly P30/07/2015 11:32:46
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Posted by Andrew Price 2 on 30/07/2015 11:24:27:

This model is going to look sooo good when it's done. Sept not long to wait for a video of the "maiden"!

I'll do my best, but don't over-egg the pudding!

I love flying the Sabre, and if the covering wasn't getting a bit worn I'd have kept flying her as she was, but as I need to re-cover her it is worth changing the frock slightly and I've always loved this colour scheme.

Andy Meade30/07/2015 11:39:32
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I am a big Sabre fan too - they look fantastic carving up the slope. I'll have to build one, maybe the Neil McHardy version next year. Will look superb with the drop tanks on Olly!

Olly P30/07/2015 14:11:00
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Andy - drop tanks are longer term - I'll be going some to have the airframe done for September, never mind bells and whistles.

Key is going to be when I can get time to do it - something that is very limited at the moment, but might get into the shed for a bit this evening and get the ailerons split from the wing.

Olly P31/07/2015 16:45:15
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OK Wing as it was a little while ago:

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The problem I am encountering is that the film is peeling away and leaving the colour behind it. This is even worse on the fuselage.

How do I get this off, do I need to?

Andy Meade31/07/2015 16:47:28
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In my experience you don't really need to, but gentle heat from a heat gun and then give it a good rub with wire wool.

Edited By Andy Meade on 31/07/2015 16:48:00

Olly P31/07/2015 16:54:00
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Cheers Andy added to shopping list for tomorrows trip to DIY shop - wire wool.

leccyflyer01/08/2015 06:36:16
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Posted by Olly P on 31/07/2015 16:45:15:

OK Wing as it was a little while ago:

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The problem I am encountering is that the film is peeling away and leaving the colour behind it. This is even worse on the fuselage.

How do I get this off, do I need to?

Apply some parcel tape to the remaining film shards and remnants, burnish well down and then pull the tpe off briskly. Experiment with the angle of the pull, and the speed of the pull - you will be surprised at the amount of the residual film that you can remove by this method. A little heat applied to the tape is optional, but can also help. When you have the bulk of the colour off a little work with sandpaper can get rid of the rest. Best not to use solvents, it will only drive the colour further into the wood.

Here's some pictures of the technique in use (posted previously).

Ickymess

Parcel Tape

Tape removed

Olly P06/08/2015 11:10:30
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Thanks leccyflyer, I will give that a go next time I get into the shed to do what I want to do - might be a little while as the major week of gardening is only a couple of weeks away!

Olly

Olly P14/08/2017 09:25:42
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Well, holy thread resurrection Batman!

I managed to get 30 minutes in the shed over the weekend and make some space, and have a couple of days off to prep for the meet this weekend.

I have changed my mind on the paint scheme and will run a live update/guessing game as i get it done. The priority will be to get as much of the covering off as I can and then get the wings sealed ready for the 'fabric' and Poly C Layer.

The biggest problem is likely to be the fuselage as it appears to have been partially painted directly, so sanding will be the way forward, especially on the nose as I want lighter colours there.

If I can get the wings stripped and the first layer on then, weather dependant, I may use some of the decking area in the garden to let them dry while I prep the fuselage.

Other problems - the Canopy, when I trimmed it to replace the old damaged one, appears to be have been cut slightly undersize, and the cockpit is currently empty - I don't like this look but may have to live with it for this weekend. If I can't replace the canopy then fitting out the cockpit may hide the problem in the future, but time may prevent this for the weekend, so the canopy may be temporary attachement to allow fitting out in the future.

Andy Meade14/08/2017 10:51:22
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Is this the silver / red / yellow scheme that it's being painted in now then?

Spanish F86?

Olly P14/08/2017 11:33:13
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Posted by Andy Meade on 14/08/2017 10:51:22:

Is this the silver / red / yellow scheme that it's being painted in now then?

Spanish F86?

Darn, that makes the running game dull

Olly P14/08/2017 18:37:54
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Right, ordered stuff on Saturday, delivery notification saying it would be delivered this morning. Note left - left in shed. Not there.

This was the sanding sealer and lightweight glass cloth for the model. Wednesday is now under threat, but I can't do Thursday off work as I need to be in...

Anyone know where i can collect Lightweight Fibreglass cloth (approx 3m^sq) near Stockport after 4:30pm tomorrow?

onetenor15/08/2017 02:10:28
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Have you got onto thr couriers to chase it up. Get the driver to show where he left it.. He may have hidden it somdwhere

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