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Peter Jenkins12/09/2016 10:02:37
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The latest situation on the EASA proposed rule making on "Drones" is worth reading here. There are links to the EASA document and also a link to a page for registering your views. Might also be worth lobbying your MEP although that might not be highly productive! There is also a full description of what the BMFA is doing about this unfortunate situation.

Colin Leighfield12/09/2016 10:14:03
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While we are quibbling about the need for a national centre, perhaps we should look hard at this. My personal views are 1. If there was ever a demonstration why it will be foolish to fragment BMFA membership, this is it.

2. The sooner Article 50 is implemented and we get on with completing Brexit and get away from this mad-house the better.

Peter Jenkins12/09/2016 11:32:24
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Colin, if you read to the end of Dave Phipps article you will see that Brexit will have no effect as the CAA, in common with other European Aviation Authorities, is tied into EASA. There are good reasons for that for full size aviation such as the certification of aircraft and the ATC system to name but two.

john stones 112/09/2016 11:38:20
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I think people will look hard at it Colin, might be varying comments though.

Some might say is an NFC a good move in uncertain times "A serious threat to model flying as we know it"

Others may say do you trust our elected politicians to not sign us up to it even with Brexit ( should it become law n not a proposal)

Others will say " i told you we should've banned Drones"

Me i'm saying nowt till there's something to say.

John

GONZO12/09/2016 11:49:47
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There's more links in the thread on this on the BARCS site **LINK**

GONZO12/09/2016 12:07:21
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'bout time the establishment got us deranged aero modellers under control and stopped us making and flying our evil killing/death machines, polluting the environment with large quantities of used electrons from our lectrikery powered devices. Make us take up a more socially acceptable activity like getting plastered at the weekend and creating no go areas in town centres. Or, better yet, random acts of vandalism along with constant defecation in public places. Its all rules for rules sake and to keep the rule makers, who have little if any idea what they're talking about, in high paid jobs. Makes me fell glade that my life is coming to its end - what a world!

Andy4812/09/2016 12:12:02
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Ah yes a much worse world these days. Bring back the old days where European wars were the norm and we used real planes to bomb the world out of existence.

Colin Leighfield12/09/2016 12:12:03
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Peter. Thank you, but EASA is part of the European Commission, which shambles we will fortunately detach from with Brexit. CAA may well remain attached as you say and I don't question the essential nature of a universal body for dealing with aviation matters. It's just that 25 years of active engagement with the Commission has left me completely disillusioned with anything to do with it. Still, that's another matter.

The key point is that we need to have our act on this one well organised and it's not one where you wait to see what happens, it can be too late then. BMFA will need our strong support.

john stones 112/09/2016 12:21:12
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Chin up Gonzo face 1

You're forgetting once we've brexited those faceless bureaucrats won't be able to pass daft laws.

Jeremy will sort it, but we'll only be allowed a left wing wink

GONZO12/09/2016 12:24:43
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Andy48, what old days, have you forgotten the Balkans conflict. Not that long ago. Or, more recent, Ukraine. If Russia continues with its expansionist attitude you may have a current situation in the Baltics. Deriding ones dislike of the modern states ever greater intrusion into a harmless personal activity/hobby does not win the argument.

GONZO12/09/2016 12:27:47
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john s, you made me smile. Still a left wing is all you need if you only do control line speed.

Devcon112/09/2016 13:21:18
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Reading through the "prototype" document makes interesting (as well as mind numbing) reading, unless I'm wrong it appears to proscribe a 50m height limit to all UAV's unless the UAV is fitted with the following at which the limit goes up to 150m

(1) an ‘auto-return home’ function;

(2) a geofencing system as per Appendix I.6.b;

(3) a maximum attainable altitude of 150 m of height from the ground, through performance limitations or an active limitation system;

(4) electronic identification

Looking at the proposed regulations, by 2020 the hobby/sport as I know it now will look rather different unless the EASA are challenged by bodies like the BMFA which I fully support in their efforts.

MattyB12/09/2016 13:50:46
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A cursory look at the document and BMFA article certainly does make depressing though slightly predictable reading. One can only hope that the positive relationship the BMFA seem to have with the CAA and the pragmatic attitude they have shown so far towards model flying continues, and is not crushed by a steamroller of unnecessary EU bureaucracy.

PS - Only in the EU could an "Explanatory note" run to 16 pages...! sarcastic

Steve J12/09/2016 14:16:53
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Posted by Devcon1 on 12/09/2016 13:21:18:

unless I'm wrong it appears to proscribe a 50m height limit to all UAV's unless the UAV is fitted with the following at which the limit goes up to 150m

Forget the Open category. It appears to be for off the shelf items and and sub 250g toys. Under this regulation, most model flying as we know it will be in the specific category.

Steve

The real Ron Truth12/09/2016 14:17:26
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Yes of course there no possible way that a UK government would ever come up with anything as daft as this .....

Colin Leighfield12/09/2016 14:28:19
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To be fair, over many years British governments have taken a very constructive approach to what we do. This could really upset that applecart. Stand together.

kc12/09/2016 14:37:23
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This has all come about because the US has assassinated people in the middle east with what are just about RC model aircraft. Suddenly governments have realised that the model aicraft technology availble to us all could be used against them personally!

If we want to continue simple RC model flying we need to distance ourselves from FPV flying ( what a daft name) and say that's what should be banned because that's the real danger to politicians.

john stones 112/09/2016 14:50:51
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And we're off wink

barry richards 112/09/2016 14:55:32
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The real Ron Truth12/09/2016 15:09:01
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Colin,

Unless your not aware, the CAA are a major partner in EASA and are just as much responsible for the changes as any other country. Were still in EASA and will be for the next 2 years at least. WE helped write this stuff.

Once we leave Europe were quite likely to simply carry on with the same policies.

 

This hobby has a shelf life sadly and I doubt the well meaning bods at BMFA are going to prevent that happening.

Edited By The real Ron Truth on 12/09/2016 15:13:48

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