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Martyn K03/12/2016 20:59:57
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Getting a bit of peer pressure to build a PSS and if I do I will want something different

At least 30mins research has got me a shortlist of either the Fairey Delta 2 or the TSR2 with the fd2 looking favourite at the moment.

Probably about 1.5 m span will give me a reasonable sized aeroplane that could be built light but easily ballasted for a blow. Probably a hybrid balsa and d*p*on sheet construction

I am only going to draw up one so I would appreciate your thoughts.

Martyn

Nigel Dell03/12/2016 21:34:19
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Hi Martyn

Two great aircraft there! I used to love going to Cosford and stand there looking at the TSR 2 what a machine and even drew one up for twin 120 mm edf's but I honestly think the FD 2 would make an excellent PSS model with the working droop snout of course!

Enjoy whatever you decide.

ATB

Nige.

P.S. I have Cyril Carr's original Avro 707 and his Vulcan both of which would also make excellent PSS models.

Edited By Nigel Dell on 03/12/2016 21:37:16

Martyn K03/12/2016 21:39:46
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Cheers Nige

Definitely will not be doing a droop snoop. Was that on the FD2 or the BAC222 (I think) Concorde proofing derivative?

For the slope it will be strictly KISS.

Martyn

Nigel Dell03/12/2016 22:01:26
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Well as the FD 2 is also at Cosford and I marvelled at that as well, one of my favourite era's in jet development, that does have a drooping nose/cockpit, in fact you may have inspired me to draw a large edf FD 2 for a unit I am making at 140 mm which if successful will need something to fly.

And it will have a brewers droopy bit!😂

Edited By Nigel Dell on 03/12/2016 22:02:51

Martyn K03/12/2016 22:23:29
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:D

I do like the look of it. Not sure about the 4% thick wing section but I may do a section with a bit of aerodynamic reflex. Cosford is not far from me. A nice winter day out I think

Nigel Dell03/12/2016 22:27:28
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Well worth it Martyn, I used to live near as well and aimed to be there at least once a month, sadly now down in Bagshot far away from normal civilisation!😂😇😳

Tom Sharp 204/12/2016 00:39:48
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Hi Nigel

Feel sorry for you having to live in Bagshot, it must be hard wading through all that money.wink

It's hard oop north.

I used to visit London Road, Bagshot on business about 40 years ago.

Edited By Tom Sharp 2 on 04/12/2016 00:42:05

Chris Barlow04/12/2016 00:40:28
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Martyn you need 3 PSS models to get started! 1 for light wind days, 1 for strong wind days and 1 for landing in rocks etc

TSR-2 is a safe bet, almost a thermal glider by design. The FD2 would be a lot more fun to fly off the slope though and stronger for landing in bracken/heather etc

Nigel Dell04/12/2016 00:47:10
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Posted by Tom Sharp 2 on 04/12/2016 00:39:48:

Hi Nigel

Feel sorry for you having to live in Bagshot, it must be hard wading through all that money.wink

It's hard oop north.

I used to visit London Road, Bagshot on business about 40 years ago.

Edited By Tom Sharp 2 on 04/12/2016 00:42:05

Really?

Nigel Dell04/12/2016 00:57:10
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Posted by Chris Barlow on 04/12/2016 00:40:28:

Martyn you need 3 PSS models to get started! 1 for light wind days, 1 for strong wind days and 1 for landing in rocks etc

TSR-2 is a safe bet, almost a thermal glider by design. The FD2 would be a lot more fun to fly off the slope though and stronger for landing in bracken/heather etc

I think you maybe mistaking the TSR 2 for the US spy plane and not the cancelled TSR2 UK project.

Chris Barlow04/12/2016 01:01:04
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Posted by Nigel Dell on 04/12/2016 00:57:10:
Posted by Chris Barlow on 04/12/2016 00:40:28:

Martyn you need 3 PSS models to get started! 1 for light wind days, 1 for strong wind days and 1 for landing in rocks etc

TSR-2 is a safe bet, almost a thermal glider by design. The FD2 would be a lot more fun to fly off the slope though and stronger for landing in bracken/heather etc

I think you maybe mistaking the TSR 2 for the US spy plane and not the cancelled TSR2 UK project.

I think you may be right! laugh

Nigel Dell04/12/2016 01:12:52
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It is letters and numbers that's where I get confused Chris! What was up with the names for aircraft! smiley

Chris Barlow04/12/2016 01:57:37
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I get simple brain fade! I read TSR2 and an image of a U-2 popped into my head! I deny it's an age thing and believe its because there's so much accumulated junk in there it just gets mixed up!

TSR2 for the slope would be interesting but I'd imagine would need quite a bit of wind, unless you went off scale for the wing?

Peter Miller04/12/2016 08:19:05
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Just as a point of interest.

When I was in the RAFin Germany we had a chap who used to make balsa catapult gliders These were full scale models about 1/48th scale.

Strangely his TSR2 was one of the best fliers. even with its lack of wing afrea. We never did work that out.

Ian Jones04/12/2016 15:25:21
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Reckon the FD2 is a better bet. Straight forward layout and looks good.

There isn't a lot of wing to play with on the TSR2. I use dto think it looked great but these days it a boxy fus with an undersize delta slapped on the top and still has the complication of a fairly low tailplane to deal with/damage..

Martyn K05/12/2016 10:06:48
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Thanks all. Yes - edging towards the FD2.

Chris - I have brain fade as well but mine is a mix of old age and stupidity , but have to admit that I never made the U2 connection. I couldn't visualise the TSR2 as a high aspect ratio glider.

Tony B has offered me a set of his plans and I'll take a look at those but I think that may be one for another day

Martyn

Andy Meade05/12/2016 10:30:50
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Build both yes

Gordon Whitehead 105/12/2016 11:30:54
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Saunders Roe SR.53 yes https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=saunders+roe+sr+53&rlz=1CAACAV_enGB710GB710&espv=2&biw=1249&bih=660&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiu_PXr-dzQAhXkDcAKHV6ACQQQ_AUIBigB

Gordon

Tony Bennett05/12/2016 12:06:29
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the SR-53 is on my wish list to be built next year.

Cuban805/12/2016 12:16:20
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Had a close look at Duxford's TSR2 when we visited last week. Photos don't do it justice and it's absolutely huge in the flesh. I rather like it and although I was only about eight at the time, I remember very well all the coverage of its cancellation. - worth reading up on all the shenanigans surrounding it and the F111 (also at Duxford) and some very good documentaries on YouTube.

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