|Cliff 1959||06/02/2017 10:45:36|
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Following the request from Andy Symons (p46 BMFA News, Feb 17) we (as a club) are going to discuss the (perceived) pros and cons of whether we should invite drone pilots to join our club and fly at our patch and go on the register of drone-friendly clubs.
As Andy points out there is the potential of drone flyers 'to take up the more traditional aspects of our sport', which has to be good of course.
Has anybody any practical experience of allowing drones to fly, do you have a different area for them or, perhaps, take turns in the air?
Any comments before our club discussion on Feb. 13 would be good to hear.
|bouncebounce crunch||06/02/2017 10:54:23|
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Well Cliff 1959
as you might be aware, nobody likes others stepping on their turf. there will be those happy and those that despise.
So how do we get a medium? In reality drones flying in a group time is not a problem, but if a big drone that was FPV popped up in front of me in a low pass then more than anger would set in if my 1000 hour model was put down to avoid that drone.
|Bob Cotsford||06/02/2017 10:58:59|
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We have helicopter slots on the hour, so we have just put 'drones' if they're MRs in with them, they're all rotary wing after all. Any fixed wing drones fly outside of the rotary wing slot - easy!
Mid-week when it's not so busy it's a matter for the pilots present whether they stick with the segregation or just rely on good communications, it's worked well to date.
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We already have members that fly helicopters and drones. We don't allow the two to mix, heli pilots just ask the others if they can fly for a bit. Whilst we have 100 members it rarely, if ever, causes a problems as most times there are only 5 - 8 members present. Most people are interested enough to sit back and watch, it only takes a few minutes. We are also lucky enough to have a smaller are set aside for heli practise so they could use that under the same safeguards as we have for the heli pilots.
We've even offered our site for drone racing but not had anyone enquire but we've only talked to a few people so it might not be widely known.
|Denis Watkins||06/02/2017 11:19:58|
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Ditto with Bucksboy, Of 50 members, 6 fly fixed wing regularly on flying days, and 10 members are never seen but rejoin every year?
Drones are welcome and as Bucks says, they are only in the air a few minutes
We are happy to sit back and watch any style of flying machine.
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I think we are missing the point on why a lot of people fly MR and therefore the desire, or not, of said pilots to become a member of a club. There are a few who fly MR LOS but in the main they are an FPV platform. A club environment/field may be OK for the very few LOS MR pilots and, if there are enough, for FPV MR racing in one class or another. But, for the majority of MR(and fixed wing) pilots with FPV then looking at the same fields etc on a regular basis is not very inviting. Flying at many and varied locations is what its about. I frequent numerous dedicated FPV forums and this is the message that I perceive, along with the dislike of regimented rules and the inevitable personality/clique clashes that occur at a lot of clubs. My £0.01 worth.
|Martin Dance 1||06/02/2017 11:45:23|
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We have had multi rotors flying on our site for a while, several years in fact. Most of our MR flyers came by way of heli flying some of whom are very good 3d flyers. The early adopters mostly scratch built their MRs and so when they flew mostly from the heli patch most stopped to watch. We now have a couple of members who have the CAA certificate and joined so they could have somewhere to fly in order to maintain their hours. Most will stop when a large camera carrying octo-copter takes to the air! The benefits are we have some nice aerial footage of our field. However a couple of FPV MR flyers tried racing, we had to ban that activity because our site is open to members of the public dog walking, jogging etc so FPV racing flying at head height is just not acceptable! So our response initially was we are 'drone tolerant' seemed reasonable but unfortunately the BMFA doesn't have such a category so we are drone friendly but with restrictions.
Oddly one of our FPV MR flyers tried to find a drone friendly farmer who had a small area of woodland which they could fly in and out off. No luck I gather which did surprise me as it would have provided an income from a part of the farm which doesn't usually show a profit.
|Jon Laughton||06/02/2017 12:39:50|
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We are the same as Bucksboy and its works well...
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I agree with Gonzo, I'm very interested in the FPV/filming side of multi rotors but don't want to fly over somewhere without permission etc. So that leaves the only place I could fly without any additional effort is the flying field, I wondered how may times I could fly around the same field before I was bored. Not many was the answer so I've not invested myself. I can see why others have come to the same conclusion. We could host racing though, it's a private site and we could ensure safety.
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Large MRs fly in heli slots, small MR can fly in FW slots, Large MRs can fly with FW by agreement of all pilots (good for air to air video) Conflicts can occur in that MR have a habit of landing straight in and not following the landing circuit. No problems as long as all pilots communicate with each other and FPVers have a spotter (as they are required to). On busy days we have started using a flight line marshal to ensure all calls are heard and observed. No problems at all really. Most people fly more than one discipline so understand each others needs. Most people who have joined as pure MR pilots have started learning FW so good for everybody. Just talk to each other.
|buster prop||06/02/2017 13:58:47|
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Not at our field. It has houses backing onto it all along one side and we may be accused of spying if we allow MRs anywhere near the houses. We use the field for gliders and small electric models. No runway and no I.c. due to noise. Good field that we don't want to lose.
|Percy Verance||06/02/2017 14:03:26|
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If it's organised carefully and properly there shouldn't be a problem. However, I'm not sure if every fixed wing flyer would want to give up flying slots for drones.....
We have to accept that some types of flying model just don't mix too well with others, no matter how hard you try. I once saw a couple of superb large gliders being flown from a bungee on one site I once used. A couple of newer i.c. flyers turned up and began to rig their models for flight without fully understanding what else was happening on the field. One took off - without calling take-off - and began circuits and low passes. One of the glider flyers sent his model up on the bungee, and after the tow release the bungee began it's decent using a small drogue chute. I'll leave you to guess the rest.........
The newbie flyer hadn't the faintest idea what a bungee was or what it was used for........ I know this points to a human failing rather than anything else, but it does show sometimes great care needs to be taken if different types of model occupy the same sky at the same time.
Edited By Percy Verance on 06/02/2017 14:10:39
|john stones 1||06/02/2017 16:13:36|
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Never known any type of model to be a problem myself, known a few pilots that create friction with whatever they fly. Fly what you like.
|Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator||06/02/2017 19:45:40|
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We mix them at our field and have done for years - MRs and Heli's taking a slot in any lulls in the FW flying. Not a problem. The issue simply never arose, no one has ever thought it needed discussing, we just did it!
Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 06/02/2017 19:46:16
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A question to those clubs that do welcome MRs
Do you insist on a relevent BMFA certification to fly solo?
We have had a number of enquiries from MR flyers and once we tell them they will require an A cert and we don't have the expertise to train them, we don't hear from them again.
We fly from a public area and our rules have been agreed by the LA so I don't see this rule changing. Not that I think it should anyway.
|Denis Watkins||06/02/2017 20:20:18|
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Multi rotor flyers are treated like any other member or visitor at the club, and are only required to stand with a certified flyer, if they do not posses a certificate.
It is extremely rare for MR flyers to attend, at best 1 time per year, over the last 3 years
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We fly on a site we share with microlights. We've made the decision that drones, or anything else for that matter can fly at our site but with the following restrictions:
No FPV, No RTH and no GPS only flight stability, like the Apprentice.
Rotorcraft....heli's or drones can only be flown on the hour for the first 15 minutes, or if a quiet time, then with the agreement of those present. The pilot must have an observer stood with them, as traditionally people often fly heli's close in and hovering.
We don't encourage drones but will accommodate them if necessary.
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At our club. Brighouse in West Yorkshire we are fixed wing only. No Heli`s or drones. Only a small field with roads on two sides. and a fishing pond on the third side. We also have two houses within 150 m. We have 50 members and a waiting list. So no need to attract Drones.
Edited By CARPERFECT on 06/02/2017 21:56:25
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|john stones 1||07/02/2017 00:02:56|
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You may have experience of one or two clubs, who knows, you're not in a position to define members of our club though, neither can you define what "often happens at lots of clubs"
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