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Stuphedd13/02/2017 13:37:26
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thumbnail_toms quy 010 (small).jpgthumbnail_toms quy 009 (small).jpgthumbnail_toms quy 008 (small).jpgthumbnail_toms quy 007 (small).jpgIt is 43" span and looks like a Vic Smeed design, I thought it was a Mam-selle or aCortesan but it does not quite match either and the original builder cannot remember ! So a little help if possible please thumbnail_toms quy 006 (small).jpg

Peter Miller13/02/2017 13:51:55
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I have been through my old plans catalogues and while there are similar models tnhere is nothing identical and none with a span of 42".

There is always the change that it was a Model Aircraft paln but I do not have their catalogues from that era

john featherstone 113/02/2017 15:05:45
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I can tell that engine is an MP JET NICE MOTOR ?????????

Stuphedd13/02/2017 15:39:28
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Thanks Peter ,

It is possible that the builder guy modified the plan ? but I dont know why ?I believe it flew at Cocklebarrow.

and John , yes its a jet , a diesel one !!

cheers

kc13/02/2017 15:47:14
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PAAgeboy by Vic Smeed? here on Outerzone

 

PAAgeboy - Vic Smeed design from Aeromodeller July 1953. The name comes from the competition PAAload (sponsored by Pan American Airlines).

 

Edited By kc on 13/02/2017 15:48:13

brokenenglish13/02/2017 15:51:21
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It's a Vic Smeed "Soubrette" (I think!). I'll post the plan if I can find out how!

soubrette.jpg

Edited By brokenenglish on 13/02/2017 15:53:17

Edited By brokenenglish on 13/02/2017 15:56:37

Edited By brokenenglish on 13/02/2017 16:17:24

kc13/02/2017 16:17:21
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It seems to be Soubrette

soubrette.jpg

brokenenglish13/02/2017 16:18:56
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Yeah, I think that's it, although the photos seem to show a sheeted leading edge...

kc13/02/2017 16:33:36
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The info says Soubrette is only 28 inch span - while this model is 43 inch. Is 28 correct for Soubrette?

Edited By kc on 13/02/2017 16:44:45

Stuphedd13/02/2017 17:41:25
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Thanks chaps

a Soubrette is what it appears to be albeit the span is suspect , It has the same tail plane shape and construction and the same number of ribs in the wings and the tail etc etc , so I think you are bang on !!

How about a Soubrette Major !!

once again thanks

pete

Peter Miller13/02/2017 18:17:43
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The fuseage one the mystery model has an almost square bottom unlike this strngered one. Also the window is square so I think it cannot not be Soubrette , especially with the discrepancy in the span

Edited By Peter Miller on 13/02/2017 18:22:07

Engine Doctor13/02/2017 18:46:18
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Looks like a Vic Smear " Mamselle to me .

Peter Miller13/02/2017 20:50:24
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Once agan, Stringered rounded belly

Percy Verance13/02/2017 20:52:38
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Vic Smear? I imagine he made his mark?

brokenenglish13/02/2017 21:15:23
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I still think it's a scaled Soubrette.

Peter, look at the first photo, showing the underside of the plane. IMO the fuselage bottom is rounded and stringered.

The Mam'selle, etc. are non-starters. It's nothing like a Mam'selle.

PatMc13/02/2017 21:25:12
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I'd say it's definitely an enlarged Soubrette.

The design was published in Aeromodeller July 2008 (I assume when the AM was at the time still incorporated in AMI mag) & was 30" span. However in first paragraph of the accompanying article it's suggested that the plan could be enlarged by 120% or 130% if a Mills .75 was to be used.
Currently someone in Australia is/was building a 48" version for a "build of" organised in the RCG vintage section.

Stuphedd14/02/2017 09:28:20
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The side windows are different , but if it is an "enlargement" the smaller/original windows would not look so good ,

so maybe a bit of builders licence ??!

Its still a pretty plane ,

in the process of building a new tailplane to enable "Radio Assist "

cheers

Engine Doctor14/02/2017 10:32:32
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Posted by Percy Verance on 13/02/2017 20:52:38:

Vic Smear? I imagine he made his mark?

Sorry to the late great Vic Smead .I hate these predictive text programs on tablets cant seem to turn it off !!!

kc14/02/2017 13:05:37
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If you look at the plan shown yesterday you will see top right the alternative square fuselage formers and a note saying "Square Dancer" so it could have square fuselage. Maybe a hybrid with just rounded tops and square underneath? no experienced modeller builds exactly to the published plan!

 

And to set the record straight the great man's name is Vic Smeed.    more info about him here but that understates his planes and some ( such as Electra) are missing from the list.

Edited By kc on 14/02/2017 13:08:31

Stuphedd14/02/2017 13:18:05
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The underneath is round with 5 stringers.

cheers

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