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Sam Longley14/02/2017 18:22:29
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I have just been given a copy of phoenix 5.5.1 for a birthday present. I have played with the Ultimate Ultimate Biplane Sport -1.947 wingspan & it flies beautifully.

Does anyone know who actually makes this exact model as there are a few Ultimate bipes on the market all different sizes. When i tried a different ultimate bipe on phoenix it was miles different.

I would buy the one phoenix was modeled on but does Phoenix actually represent a fair assessment of its performance.

The next question concerns my current 2 models - a Hanger 9 SBach & a Ripmax Acrowot.

Neither of these are in the list of planes which is a pity. I have tried the Sbach that phoenix has & it is nothing like the Hanger 9 one I have

Has anyone found a good match model for the Acrowot & does anyone have a Hanger 9 Sbach & found a near match for that as well

How do users get on with trying to match models to the ones they have when phoenix is lacking in designs?

Denis Watkins14/02/2017 18:34:19
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The thing I like about Phoenix, Sam, is flying models that I do not own, like jets

I get your point about practicing on the ones you do own

Phoenix does online upgrades, so watch out for upgrades

I don't know how many models are on Phoenix, but there are more than enough to approximate model flying in my opinion

Try the models similar to yours, but bear in mind their are differences in identical models down at the field

Edited By Denis Watkins on 14/02/2017 18:44:46

rcaddict14/02/2017 18:53:36
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hi sam

i got phoenix for a xmas pressie and i was also a bit disapointed it did not have a acrowot (has a wot 4 though)

sad

Kim Taylor14/02/2017 19:09:19
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In my (limited) experience, you need to increase the difficulty to 100% to make it anything like a 'real' experience.

I think the default for every model is 50%, which makes it very easy to control even quite advanced models.

Kim

Nigel R16/02/2017 14:11:49
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The difficulty definitely needs increasing to 100%.

Sometimes you need to play with control throw settings and some other stuff, too.

Phoenix is generally great although it has a couple of real issues, model behaviour when the wind is turned on, in particular, is very strange.

Sam Longley16/02/2017 17:06:48
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Posted by Nigel R on 16/02/2017 14:11:49:

The difficulty definitely needs increasing to 100%.

Sometimes you need to play with control throw settings and some other stuff, too.

Have not worked out how to do either of those yet. Especially control throw settings.

I have to fly with my finger on the elevator applying a little up all the time. I do not mind this too much as I tend to fly like that in real life with a tiny bit of pressure on the stick, but adjusting trim on the transmitter does nothing- unlike real life

Denis Watkins16/02/2017 17:16:20
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The Phoenix can be set up precisely Sam, have a good look through the menu

On your Transmitter, have the trims at zero and reinstate another setup for it

It is not good practice for you learning with a stick input held

rcaddict16/02/2017 17:16:47
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go to model tab then click edit then turn dial to 100%

for throws etc click on detailed in same edit screen

hope this helps

Sam Longley16/02/2017 17:26:58
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Posted by Denis Watkins on 16/02/2017 17:16:20:

It is not good practice for you learning with a stick input held

I have done it for the last 3 years. Just a couple of clicks of trim to counterbalance the weight of my thumb.

Just seems more comfortable.- I fly mode 1

Sam Longley16/02/2017 17:32:57
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Posted by oldgit on 16/02/2017 17:16:47:

go to model tab then click edit then turn dial to 100%

for throws etc click on detailed in same edit screen

hope this helps

Put it this way

If it had been a real model I would have been crying by now

Thanks I see where I should have gone

Sam L

Dave Rose22/02/2017 19:37:57
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All the models that you have in the sim can be edited. They can be made the same size, weight, etc etc as the ones you own.

When you have chosen the model make that you own, or the nearest to it, go to edit and then you will see all the parameters that you can change, Thus you should be able to get near to your real model.

Also, it seems that you may not have seen all the models made by users other than the PHOENIX ONES.

There are many for you to download. There may be one of the model you own..

good luck

Nigel R23/02/2017 08:55:26
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Yes, definitely worth having a look for user made models.

"It is not good practice for you learning with a stick input held"

Depends on the model, I would say the 3d types you want set up as neutral as possible which will mean a slight dive when right side up as well as wrong side up.

Sam Longley23/02/2017 09:52:08
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Posted by Nigel R on 23/02/2017 08:55:26:

Yes, definitely worth having a look for user made models.

"It is not good practice for you learning with a stick input held"

Depends on the model, I would say the 3d types you want set up as neutral as possible which will mean a slight dive when right side up as well as wrong side up.

Can you tell me where to find user model please.

When i installed the 5.5 programe it updated to 5.1 & i assumed that was all the models available

As for stick input. I would respectfully suggest that you have contradicted yourself. If the model does not fly level in upright flight then one has to apply stick input. If one has it set up as you suggest to have a slight dive then it will end in tears if left to its own devices.

I just find it more comfortable to let my left thumb rest on the stick.I know where I am & because I am mechanical & not intuitive with the controls it helps as i always know where up is.

Denis Watkins23/02/2017 10:12:27
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Ok Sam, people are trying to help you, and when flying, our fingers dont leave the sticks until we switch flaps or retracts or trim, and even then flyers keep close to the sticks

Accept their help and dont keep throwing it back at them LoL

Google, Online Phoenix User Models and you will get a whole list of them

They are on the Phoenix website

Also look at all the updates for the most recent

Sam Longley23/02/2017 15:29:49
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Posted by Denis Watkins on 23/02/2017 10:12:27:

Ok Sam, people are trying to help you, and when flying, our fingers dont leave the sticks until we switch flaps or retracts or trim, and even then flyers keep close to the sticks

Accept their help and dont keep throwing it back at them LoL

Google, Online Phoenix User Models and you will get a whole list of them

They are on the Phoenix website

Also look at all the updates for the most recent

Denis

I am not trying to throw anything back & always appreciate advice. However, Are you saying that i cannot ask the reasoning behind that advice other than accept it as gospel? I have spent my life in business questioning authority & cannot get out of the habit. So if I sound argumentive then I apologise - it is an inbuilt mentality. But let's be honest about this if on one hand one is telling me that one should not hold the stick to hold level flight then tells me to trim the plane to dive I think It is reasonable for the brain to question why.

I was not actually asking how to hold the sticks I really wanted some hints on using Phoenix.- partly I suppose due to laziness-

I have not yet found the Phoenix website & the post has told me to look for one so thanks for that & I will now start the search as I have something to look for. That has achieved what i wanted & I am grateful

Cheers

Sam L

Denis Watkins23/02/2017 15:42:55
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Gee Whiz Sam, let's try this

http://www.phoenix-sim.com/downloads.asp

Denis Watkins23/02/2017 15:44:18
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And this

http://www.phoenix-sim.com/models.asp

Denis Watkins23/02/2017 15:45:24
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At the bottom are

User model downloads

Nigel R23/02/2017 16:53:11
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"As for stick input. I would respectfully suggest that you have contradicted yourself"

Perhaps you misunderstand what I wrote.

A 3d aerobat should be trimmed to fly exactly the same right way up as upside down. That means a slight dive towards terra firma. Correct with up when upwards. Correct with down when inverted. The neutral trim prevents unwanted errors during knife edge, hover & vertical.

Other model types - straight and level with hands off.

YMMV.

Sam Longley23/02/2017 20:53:35
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Posted by Denis Watkins on 23/02/2017 15:45:24:

At the bottom are

User model downloads

Thanks I have found it now.

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