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XK5016/04/2017 09:54:46
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A limit of 250gm, before State regulation kicks in, seems to be gathering traction, worldwide. For me, at least, making and flying stuff without additional bureaucracy would be very attractive, but just what can be done with 250gm?

I am aware of the indoor stuff (and particularly impressed by indoor scale) but for the average UK power and slope flier? Would unregulated outdoor flight just get blown away?

Ideas and pictures would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

John

GONZO16/04/2017 10:32:20
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RCModelReviews on YouTube has started the ball rolling **LINK**

Phil 916/04/2017 11:02:46
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If I ​was restricted to flying models of 250g or less then I would give up the hobby and find something else to do

ken anderson.16/04/2017 11:05:29
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the weather we have in the north east of the uk...is windy most times.....10 oz models will be a waste of time unless early morning/late at night when the wind has died down....hope they don't bring the reg in....if they do it will be the end of most peoples model collection......will the for sale add's be able to cope...

ken Anderson...ne...1...... 250gm dept

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Denis Watkins16/04/2017 11:18:46
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Agreed Ken, and while there will be a long list of for sale items, there will be few buyers

All my outdoor motors, weigh more than 250 grm, and that goes for most of us

PatMc16/04/2017 11:22:02
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Posted by Denis Watkins on 16/04/2017 11:18:46:

All my outdoor motors, weigh more than 250 grm, and that goes for most of us

I definitely weigh more than 250g. teeth 2

XK5016/04/2017 12:30:26
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Thanks, Gonzo. It shows what can be done. In fact, I do have an old Cox PeeWee, somewhere, but remember it as a high-pitched "screamer" that is bound to upset somebody!

However, I need to clear up a misunderstanding. From what I read, I don't think anyone (where it has been implemented) has sought to ban models above 250gm. It's just that such models can incur (again, where implemented) additional regulation and/or paperwork. Maybe, it's just an anarchic streak in me that is seeking ways to avoid all that ...... SHOULD it, ever, be implemented, closer to home.

Don't panic, just yet.

John

Steve J16/04/2017 12:52:23
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It's your hobby, but I am struggling to see why anybody would limit themselves to sub 250g models just to avoid a £5/year registration scheme (which may not happen anyway).

Steve

Martin Harris16/04/2017 13:08:45
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I'm in agreement with Steve - we shouldn't over react to a move that is yet to happen and even if it does, the CAA have a good track record of recognising that the model flying hobby is generally well organised and applying legislation in a sensible way.

However, DickW might be along in a while to give some details of his Dereck Woodward designed Tiny Bit - this 89g AUW model handles winds that ground 90% of our club membership (Dick's flying skills contributing strongly, of course) and never fails to impress.

Dickw16/04/2017 17:53:54
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Posted by Martin Harris on 16/04/2017 13:08:45:

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However, DickW might be along in a while to give some details of his Dereck Woodward designed Tiny Bit - this 89g AUW model handles winds that ground 90% of our club membership and never fails to impress.

As Martin says I don’t think we need worry too much about a 250gm limit, but if it did come to pass then it is still possible to have a lot of fun with small models outdoors even in a wind. As soon as I saw a Tiny Bit being flown I knew I had to have one. The plans can be downloaded from the OuterZone website, and I built the airframe entirely from bits I had in my scrap-box.

The all up ready to fly weight is indeed 89gm for this 20 inch span wing, and a 2s 300mAh battery gives 5 minutes of fully aerobatic flight (the same batteries I use for the Rx pack in my F5B gliders). It doesn’t have a rudder so no knife edge, but everything else seems possible – loops, bunts, rolling circle, vertical eights, and remarkable turn of speed.

If they do bring in a 250gm limit I might scale the Tiny Bit up smiley.

Dick

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Graham R16/04/2017 18:05:51
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t with Posted by XK50 on 16/04/2017 09:54:46:

A limit of 250gm, before State regulation kicks in, seems to be gathering traction, worldwide. For me, at least, making and flying stuff without additional bureaucracy would be very attractive, but just what can be done with 250gm?

I am aware of the indoor stuff (and particularly impressed by indoor scale) but for the average UK power and slope flier? Would unregulated outdoor flight just get blown away?

Ideas and pictures would be appreciated.

Many thanks,

John

I'm not sure where you got this info from, I think this was all delt with months ago. Read info supplied by BMFA.

Dickw16/04/2017 18:10:55
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Rumour or not, some people are getting into 250gm models with consderable enthusiasm. It seems the germans are planning a sub 250gm speed class for this year - see one potential entrant in this link:-

**Link**

Looks like fun, and probably a lot faster than my Tiny Bit.

Dick

Edited By Dickw on 16/04/2017 18:12:24

Edited By Dickw on 16/04/2017 18:15:50

Steve J16/04/2017 18:25:22
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Posted by Graham Russell on 16/04/2017 18:05:51:

I think this was all delt with months ago.

Nothing has been "dealt with". EASA are due to issue documents for the open and specific classes in the near future and we will see the results of the DfT's recent consultation over the summer.

Having said that, I doubt if the coming changes will have much impact on the average club flier.

Steve

XK5016/04/2017 20:49:45
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Thank you for your input and enthusiasm, Dick. It is most welcome.

That linked T-tail is a real beaut, even if its "port and starboard" colour scheme might be a bit confused.

It's related thread makes very interesting reading, too. 300+mph! Not quite what those foreign safety regulators had in mind, I'm sure.

So, it can be done!

Regards,

John

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