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Mick Reeves Gangster 63 Lite

First RC kit build - for classic pattern aerobatics

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Nigel R11/06/2019 13:52:26
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Incidentally, this is a "fun fly" model (SLEC's Limbo Dancer):

Slightly different to the "Fun Fly" !

Jonathan M11/06/2019 14:23:24
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Cheers Nigel for a succinct answer as ever.

Good point about the Slec offering not being a true fun fly, and not much different to the Wot4 - although judging from the piccie on their website here I think it might have a symmetrical wing and no dihedral?

Will almost certainly go EP for the Gangster.

And also order the Chilli Breeze plan... for later!

Jon

PS Out of interest, any pointers to where I could get a foam wing made, and also how to skin it with veneer etc?

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Peter Christy11/06/2019 18:28:30
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Back in the day, we used to have a local expert who would knock up foam cores at a very reasonable price. I always used to skin mine with 1/16" balsa - much easier than veneer - using copydex as adhesive.

I've actually got a "bow" for cutting foam cores, but decent, lightweight EP seems to be almost unobtainable these days!

Any suggestions where I could get some?

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Pete

Percy Verance11/06/2019 18:48:53
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If I were looking to have foam wing cores cut, I'd go to Billkits. And yes, balsa would be my choice for skinning rather than veneer........

Billkits will do the lot. Cut the cores, add servo boxes plus channels for extension leads etc plus balsa leading/trailing edges if required, then skin the finished cores.

Jonathan M11/06/2019 19:33:41
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Thanks for the lead Percy... Chilli Breeze plan on its way!

I see there's an Outerzone download for the larger Chilli Wind plus original making article, so this will help fill in the gaps.

Nigel R11/06/2019 21:20:42
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As per Percy's answer, Billkits seem to get mentioned whenever a foam wing service comes up. The Breeze is almost identical to the Wind, just the odd material size difference, but construction is the same.

Pete What about the DIY sheds? I seem to remember Jablite floor insulation sheets from B&Q being mentioned before?

Peter Jenkins12/06/2019 00:17:34
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Jonathan,

If you are still searching for a colour scheme for your Gangster, here's what I did for my Gangster 75 which I built from an unbuilt original kit. This is a foam wing and unfortunately is made out of rather heavy foam. All the covering was either Solarfilm or Hobby King sourced. In the air, the scheme is very easy to see with great differentiation between the top and bottom pattern.

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Jonathan M12/06/2019 05:09:45
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Great bright scheme Peter!

Time having moved on, I might think mine afresh, colours and all, but still within a broad 'house-style'. This is how the MP turned out (well visible but a load less hassle than the original concept sketch!):

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Jon Robb12/06/2019 23:06:45
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I recently had a wing and tailplane CNC hot wire cut by Phillip at Cloud Models, I was impressed with the results. As has been mentioned, Bill also is a very good wing cutter.

Jonathan M13/06/2019 10:21:24
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Thanks for the lead Jon. Spoken to Phillip at Cloud Models. He's done several veneer-covered Chilli Wind wings for other customers and has all the dimensions, so ordering from him. As the original design has torque-rod UC legs mounted under the wing, I'd need to let in decent ply/spruce foundations (or even consider retracts, if they won't add too much weight?) but this is all for another build-thread.

In the meantime, speaking of U/C, hoping I won't have to make up longer legs for the Gangster's electric prop, which I assume will be 12" minimum with my power-train..? Our patch is reasonably good and regularly mown, but I'd want a minimum clearance of at least an inch or so.

Kim Taylor13/06/2019 17:23:59
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Posted by Jonathan M on 13/06/2019 10:21:24:

In the meantime, speaking of U/C, hoping I won't have to make up longer legs for the Gangster's electric prop, which I assume will be 12" minimum with my power-train..? Our patch is reasonably good and regularly mown, but I'd want a minimum clearance of at least an inch or so.

My Gangster 'Lite' is powered by a .61 4 stroke, using a 12x6 prop, and I've had no issues on our strip, so I think you'd be OK at that. 13" may be pushing it a bit though.

Kim

Jonathan M13/06/2019 19:36:13
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Thanks Kim

I laid out the component parts and it looked like a 13" prop would be too marginal: only about an inch of clearance. The Overlander 4250 900kv (980W watt) motor and 13" prop (min size) are from my first short-lived Wot4 which drew 50A max with the 4s setup, and statically pulled 23N for a model weighing 5.25lbs. This was way more than powerful in the air, so the replacement Wot has a lighter 4-Max PO-3547 800kv turning a 12x8" prop which actually flies perfectly fine. As the Gangster should weigh a pound less (?) I'll swap the 4250 back into the Wot and use the lighter one with a 12" prop here - with the stock undercarriage supplied.

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I mocked-up the supplied very flimsy cowling to see how the whole lot would fit which it does easily, so will probably use this item but beefed-up first with plenty of fibreglass, plus cooling vents.

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The F3 former, which is the next back from the firewall, has a cutout for a fuel-tank so adequate clearance for a decent-sized LiPo-tray. I'll recycle the spring-pin from the recovered hatch from the dead Wot4 and make a similar top-access arrangement for the Gangster

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Stuart Z25/09/2019 14:49:35
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Hi,

Finally got underway with mine. Wings done but putting the aileron horns into place they are different to the ones in the instructions, and barely poke above the depth of the aileron. Am I missing something? Never used this horn layout before.

Thanks for any ideas.

S

Andy Stephenson14/11/2019 13:10:57
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I recently bought the last G63 kit Mick Reeves had in stock, I guess if there is more demand Jim will make another batch.

I built two of the original G63s back in the 70s but only flew one of them, sold the other. The first one had a Veco61 and as a result wasn't particularly spritely but flew nicely until the fateful rolling 8 manoeuvre when the wings folded, probably due to too many hard landings.

The new lite G63 seems very flimsy especially at the back end so I made the tail surfaces out of solid 1/4" balsa. Also like Martin K mentioned elsewhere, I put cross braces in the fuz to stiffen up the torsional rigidity. The ailerons were made fully sheeted. This was because I had decided to install an Irvine 53. After a quick balance check half way through the build showed it was going to be nose heavy with the engine I selected so the tail servos were mounted in the back, this together with the sheet tail surfaces brings the balance point within range nicely. Having put the rudder servo in the back, I had to install an extra servo up front to take care of the steerable nose wheel. Making the tank tubes not foul on the noseleg was also a bit of a fiddle.

I particularly like the triangle slotted wing spar as it makes fitting the ribs easy. There a lot of things I have changed in the build of this kit but then again, I have never built anything exactly to the instructions.

It may not fly till next season but this will give me time to complete the decals as per the original box art as close as I can.

Andy.

Old Geezer15/11/2019 16:07:39
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My first low winger was a Gangster 63, with a smokey old Meteor 60 on the front, she was a real lady. On advice from the proprietor of our much missed LMS I didn't fit a steerable nose wheel, a blip of throttle would kick the tail round and as soon as she was moving the rudder kept her pointing in roughly the right direction until there was daylight under the wheels. Shame though, easy to build trad' kits are so rarely on the menu now, I'm sure original Gangster 52 & 63 kits would still sell well, and they were so much tougher than these CNC plywood airframes we're stuck with these days - one rough landing can often result in the portion of the fuselage supporting the U/C requiring a major reconstruction (a 3D jigsaw or bodge depending on your talents). Or scrapping it altogether.

Couldn't Peter Miller design us a 40 sized slab sided (no stringers!) constant chord low winger --  for for us Neanderthals, choice of nose or tail wheel - i.e. an M.R. Gangster de nos hours - a tough quick build hack, and access to a veneered foam wing supplier to speed construction would be nice too.

Further back in the thread someone mention a predominantly black colour scheme - these can work well as long as you use large blocks of colour ( ideally white or fluorescent ) on upper and lower wing surfaces - visibility is excellent and you're never uncertain which way up it is.,

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Kim Taylor15/11/2019 16:17:18
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Posted by Old Geezer on 15/11/2019 16:07:39:

I'm sure original Gangster 52 & 63 kits would still sell well, and they were so much tougher than these CNC plywood airframes we're stuck with these days - one rough landing can often result in the portion of the fuselage supporting the U/C requiring a major reconstruction (a 3D jigsaw or bodge depending on your talents). Or scrapping it altogether.

I think if you speak to them nicely, you can have an original Gangster 63 from Mick Reeves Models.

Not cheap though!!

Kim

Old Geezer16/11/2019 00:21:09
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Well, Bless my Soul! Why didn't I think of that.

Thanks for that Kim - I'll just do that thing, there's certainly no harm in asking. Then unless it's silly money I'll have to start looking on eBay for an inexpensive (there's no such thing as cheap these days) old two stroke 60 to pop on the front.

Andy Stephenson21/11/2019 19:36:25
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Finished, can any one recognise the colour scheme?

Andy Stephenson25/11/2019 15:23:56
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Here's a clue...

Nigel R25/11/2019 16:03:10
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"40 sized slab sided (no stringers!) constant chord low winger -- for for us Neanderthals, choice of nose or tail wheel"

You could try Pegasus kits, particularly Galaxy Magician / Hornet / Musketeer.

All slab side foam wing trad kits.

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