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Peter Miller20/07/2017 21:02:48
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Traplet did theirown cutting out but I do wonder about their wood supplier.

Dave Wilshere20/07/2017 21:04:15
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You need to understand the way a company is structured and owned, before jumping into published figures, the big decrease was when the owners sold the large building they owned. Sadly like most things since the internet nothing has a gestation period where the whole story has time to come out, every one has an idea what is happening.

The truth is the hobby is in a huge decline, people can't see it-sadly its already too late because the World has changed so much, there is too much to spend recreational money on, people coming into the hobby want instant gratification, so even foam ARTF models are asked to be fully assembled in the shops by customers!

Radios and helicopters were the few areas that made money for hobby shops, Drones killed sales of both of those, they don't use Tx's Rx's and servos. People who had found that they couldn't 'drive' a flying model took up ground operated craft, which at least used Tx's, Rx's and servos...now they can fly a drone (because you don't need to be able to fly) so less radios sales. Helicopters don't sell because Drones are aerobatic, they crash better, can be repaired in minutes-require little skill to repair (instant gratification again) So people who came into the hobby to build/engineer helicopters and have the challenge of learning don't bother now. The hobby was as much about the building, as the flying. The youngsters aren't interested in that, when they are used to hitting reset on a computer game.

I've written for Traplet for 20 years, they were old school. Don't fully write them off yet though. Some areas still made money.

David Davis20/07/2017 21:14:30
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Posted by kevin b on 20/07/2017 20:00:30:

I doubt very much if SLEC will take on selling plans, but as one of Traplet's creditors they will I'm sure, take more than a passing interest in whatever assets are to be thrown to the vultures. I hope they receive some recompense, as they are a very good company and always willing to help with advice.

+1 from me.

Paul Marsh20/07/2017 22:16:37
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I canceled my RCMW subscription last Sunday at Cosford. Seemed something was happening, as the lady on the stand understood why I canceled and thanked me for my custom for the last 25 years - the last 10 being on subscription, which is how I currently receive the RCM&E issues...

Traplet have been in trouble before, but got out of it - their biggest loss was their sponsorship of the Eastnor Castle show, which never made any money. Was a great show, but not good for a business model. (they never organized one again after that.)

Angela Price21/07/2017 00:51:20
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I am the lady at the Cosford show mentioned in the above post and I want to put the record straight here and now that I had absolutely no idea whatsoever about Traplet going into administration. I am extremely upset that it has been suggested that I knew something was happening as believe me it came as a total shock to both me and my colleague Barry Atkinson . In fact, it was the last thing that I ever thought would happen and it's terribly sad and I would appreciate it if everyone could refrain from making any assumptions at all on a situation that they know nothing about as misinformation can cause a lot of upset and confusion. The customer who cancelled his subscription to RCMW said the page count had gone down to around 86 pages and did not take him long to read any more and that when he first had it around 20 years ago it was always 50 pages more so it was not as good value as it used to be . I could not argue the fact that the page count had gone down so I was sympathetic to his complaint . He also was not happy that there was not a free plan available in it every month. So that is why I understood the reasons for his cancellation and as he said I was very appreciative to him for his past loyalty to our magazine. May I also say thanks to Dave Wiltshire for his post as he spoke perfect sense as usual and we thank him for his loyalty to Traplet over the years.

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Peter Miller21/07/2017 07:51:53
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Wings and Wheels was started by Traplet. I am not sure if there is still a connection

Cuban821/07/2017 08:19:14
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Posted by PatMc on 20/07/2017 17:21:46:
Posted by Phil 9 on 20/07/2017 15:45:56:

 


The exponential growth in ARTF/PNP market together with the practice of "free" plans with each magazine & the ease of making copies by individuals must have caused the value of a plans archive, as a company asset, to plummet.

I'm not convinced that 'free plans' have a negative effect on building designs from Brian Taylor, Dennis Bryant etc.

We're not comparing like with like; a freebie plan than can usually be put together in short order with minimum detail and cost, to an intricate scale machine that requires research both in terms of construction and finish, and could easily take a couple of years and hundreds of pounds to complete.

Free plans are the perfect introduction to building one's own model from bare balsa (even easier with laser cut ply parts and ribs) and in my own case encouraged me to progress to more complex kits and plans.

I meet and talk to plenty of flyers, both newcomers and 'old hands'  who see the efforts of 'builders' and aspire themselves to constructing their own scale Spitfire, Hurricane, Mustang etc pretty much from scratch.

ARTFs, foamies and drones have been and still are a distraction (and I've been distracted along with many others)  from the fundamental bedrock of our hobby/sport/ pastime; they can exist quite happily alongside what many of us see as 'Aeromodelling' in all its variations, providing they are not viewed as the answer to everything and we continue to encourage the model engineering side of our hobby. What is there to lose?

 

 

Edited By Cuban8 on 21/07/2017 08:25:41

Guvnor21/07/2017 08:43:31
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Posted by Tom Sharp 2 on 21/07/2017 01:10:35:

The sudden appearance of RCMW many years ago in an already overcrowded market signalled the end of Radio Modeller which was my favourite magazine. So perhaps it's poetic justice.

What a truly awful thing to say. Several people have lost their jobs, and you think it's 'justice'...?

Perhaps Radio Modeller folded because it was simply a poor magazine...

Martin Fane21/07/2017 09:26:11
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Companies House still show Traplet Publishing as "Active"

Don't know how long they take to update .........

Colin Leighfield21/07/2017 09:58:55
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I couldn't find anything referring to them being in receivership, is the closure of the shop a cost-cutting exercise? If they were under administration I'd have thought there would be some indication somewhere.

Guvnor21/07/2017 10:07:43
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Posted by Colin Leighfield on 21/07/2017 09:58:55:

I couldn't find anything referring to them being in receivership, is the closure of the shop a cost-cutting exercise? If they were under administration I'd have thought there would be some indication somewhere.

It takes a while for announcments to appear in companies house

Colin Leighfield21/07/2017 10:28:41
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Guvnor, you're right, but usually even when a small organisation goes bust something leaks out somewhere. I'm clutching at straws I suppose. The stuff I ordered a week ago hasn't arrived, which is unusual, so it does look ominous doesn't it?

Cuban821/07/2017 10:53:30
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Posted by Guvnor on 21/07/2017 08:43:31:
Posted by Tom Sharp 2 on 21/07/2017 01:10:35:

The sudden appearance of RCMW many years ago in an already overcrowded market signalled the end of Radio Modeller which was my favourite magazine. So perhaps it's poetic justice.

What a truly awful thing to say. Several people have lost their jobs, and you think it's 'justice'...?

Perhaps Radio Modeller folded because it was simply a poor magazine...

I used to buy Radio Modeller regularly in the 1970s and right up to its eventual demise. Personally, I though it was the best of the bunch for...............Radio Modelling.

If you wanted loads of adverts then RCM&E was the one to refer to (no websites back then, so essential for keeping up with what was new, best deals etc) but for a more thorough read without so many ads, then I preferred RM. Maybe the much smaller advertising revenue killed it off, it certainly wasn't the quality of the mag itself, as you will see if you can get hold of an old copy.

kc21/07/2017 10:54:18
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We should correct any errors here so they don't get accepted as facts-

My recollection is that......

Wings and Wheels (North Weald ) was run by Ken Mainstone before Traplet ( I well remember Ken asking our club to lend the clubs PA gear for it. We lent the gear but unfortunately the club didn't ask for free tickets for members- we still had to pay to get in!)

Radio Modeller did not " fold" it was already owned by the same organistaion as RCME and eventually merged into RCME. And RM was not a " poor magazine" in my view ( and i still have a large collection to verufy this! ) The fact is it varied a bit over the years and really peaked under David Boddingtons editorship which didn't last long because he then went on to RCME . Alec Gee then continued at RM with the free plan every month which made RM a very good buy.

( just my view and it's perhaps relevant here is that " Boddo " was such a brilliant editor because he was visible at all the shows and therefore in touch with grass roots modellers. Somehow he seemed to get articles of great technical interest from unknown writers which were much more worthwhile than the same old columnists " last weekend i went to ----- and i must thank ----- " stuff we were- and are -used to! David B made his magazine worth buying because he published articles on really useful subjects from these previously unknown writers and this improved RM, then RCME, RCScale, AMI, MF, Flying Scale in turn. I wonder if other forum members agree with me on this? )

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PatMc21/07/2017 11:06:01
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Posted by Cuban8 on 21/07/2017 08:19:14:
Posted by PatMc on 20/07/2017 17:21:46:
Posted by Phil 9 on 20/07/2017 15:45:56:

 


The exponential growth in ARTF/PNP market together with the practice of "free" plans with each magazine & the ease of making copies by individuals must have caused the value of a plans archive, as a company asset, to plummet.

I'm not convinced that 'free plans' have a negative effect on building designs from Brian Taylor, Dennis Bryant etc.

We're not comparing like with like; a freebie plan than can usually be put together in short order with minimum detail and cost, to an intricate scale machine that requires research both in terms of construction and finish, and could easily take a couple of years and hundreds of pounds to complete.

Free plans are the perfect introduction to building one's own model from bare balsa (even easier with laser cut ply parts and ribs) and in my own case encouraged me to progress to more complex kits and plans.

I meet and talk to plenty of flyers, both newcomers and 'old hands' who see the efforts of 'builders' and aspire themselves to constructing their own scale Spitfire, Hurricane, Mustang etc pretty much from scratch.

ARTFs, foamies and drones have been and still are a distraction (and I've been distracted along with many others) from the fundamental bedrock of our hobby/sport/ pastime; they can exist quite happily alongside what many of us see as 'Aeromodelling' in all its variations, providing they are not viewed as the answer to everything and we continue to encourage the model engineering side of our hobby. What is there to lose?

 

 

Edited By Cuban8 on 21/07/2017 08:25:41

I think that you've completely missed my point.

I'm saying that the value of the plans archive as a whole is a less valuable asset because of the increased alternatives that are available for anyone wishing to fly a model whether they want to make it from scratch or buy it as a PNP.
For nearly 20 years RCM&E haven't had regular articles featuring models with the plans only available to be purchased seperately from the magazine. I don't think there has been a hard print catalogue of plans published since 2000. This would suggest that the magazine owners don't consider that the plans generate a significant income.

Edited By PatMc on 21/07/2017 11:07:18

Cuban821/07/2017 11:38:05
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Posted by kc on 21/07/2017 10:54:18:

 

( just my view and it's perhaps relevant here is that " Boddo " was such a brilliant editor because he was visible at all the shows and therefore in touch with grass roots modellers. Somehow he seemed to get articles of great technical interest from unknown writers which were much more worthwhile than the same old columnists " last weekend i went to ----- and i must thank ----- " stuff we were- and are -used to! David B made his magazine worth buying because he published articles on really useful subjects from these previously unknown writers and this improved RM, then RCME, RCScale, AMI, MF, Flying Scale in turn. I wonder if other forum members agree with me on this? )

Yes, with you 100% on that - and with the greatest respect to the current publishers of modelling mags , who really are trying to sweep water up hill at the moment, is the reason why I and so many of my club mates no longer buy magazines. A vicious circle really, and sadly one that is winding down and down and will end up doing none of us any good in the end.

Edited By Cuban8 on 21/07/2017 11:40:04

Colin Leighfield21/07/2017 11:52:06
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I know it's extravagant, but I subscribe to RCME and RCMW. In my opinion they are both excellent and well edited right now. They have the tricky task of trying to produce something of interest to a range of regular readers as well as attempting to identify trends and appeal to potential new audiences. It's not in our interests at all for them to fail and we should support them as far as we can in return for our expectations on content. There's lots of aspects to flying models that don't interest me directly, e,g, helicopters and quads, but I still read about them because I like to be broadly informed about anything that is connected to my main interest. Also I accept that my own views can change over time, although my core interests have never altered.

News like this is the thin end of the wedge for us, I'm still hoping that something good will come out of it.

John Bisset21/07/2017 12:06:17
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An excellent post by Dave Wilshere, which does provide a fair explanation of quite a lot of what has changed inthe hobby. I seem to have returned at just the wrong time !

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