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AndyD20/07/2017 19:09:25
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dscf1320.jpgi hope you get the gist of the pictures but as you can tell I'm no tech guru.i no safety as always got to come first but as of our resent clubs agm the start up code as now changed and I think for the worst.before the agm the preceedure of starting was in a line all facing forward towards the flight line and to one side of the pilots area as in picture A but now its in a coned square area also to one side but with planes almost facing each other as in picture B.all starting engine testing and running must now be done in this area and to me goes against the number one rule of no one in front of the prop.

so my question is.

is the start up box a better idea or am I just a out of date moany old git.dscf1321.jpg

Dave Hopkin20/07/2017 19:16:52
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Nothing wrong with having a start up areas BUT all planes must be pointing into a unoccupied area as a safe run off and everyone should be behind the prop line - allowing them to face in any old direction is not safe - the concept of a start up LINE would be better and only allow a depth of 1 model all facing towards the runway

Sparks20/07/2017 19:19:29
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'B' looks a bit dodgy to me as a prop coming off a plane on the rear row could hit someone on the front row... and vice versa.

Sparks

AndyD20/07/2017 19:26:30
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Hi Dave,thats what I told them but they insist its safer but to me its all wrong as if props do depart from the model theres only 5-10 foot to the plane on the other side ,even at the slight angle the planes at the back left are in direct line with plane front right.

simon barr20/07/2017 19:40:18
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Sketch A definately the safest...

Sketch B has been thought up by someone with no practical experience of a prop coming off, or a run-away model, both of which can and does happen.

Tom Sharp 220/07/2017 19:46:04
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Sketch B, an accident waiting to happen, best join another club until common sense returns.

Frank Skilbeck20/07/2017 21:46:48
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I would have thought A, but turned 90 deg clockwise so all the aircraft face away from the pilots, but it would also depend what else is on the site.

PS it must be a very big/active club if you have 4 planes all in the starting area at one time.

Edited By Frank Skilbeck on 20/07/2017 21:47:38

Martin Harris20/07/2017 21:56:51
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What was the supposed logic of changing to B - it certainly escapes me!

Cliff 195920/07/2017 22:23:05
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Posted by Martin Harris on 20/07/2017 21:56:51:

What was the supposed logic of changing to B - it certainly escapes me!

I'd be very interested to know this as well, I agree with Frank 90 deg clockwise, I would feel most uncomfortable with 'A' and Tom, I'd see you in the next club as well, there's no way I would be in 'B' unless I was the only one there.

AndyD20/07/2017 22:46:27
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thx everyone I thought it was just me who thought it weird but it seems not.it started with shows to have a bit more organisation (well I think) then deciding it was safer option.

cymaz21/07/2017 05:57:05
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Option 'A' would be the safest to me. Just face the start up planes a bit more to the right to face them further away from the pilots box.

Peter Miller21/07/2017 08:08:05
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A is obviously safer.

If set up B was used the planes should point OUT of the area, NOT inwards.

Having twice seen the results of propellors coming off a model no one should be in front of a model.

In both the above cases it was the owner ofthe model who suffered.

That was merely a 40 fourstroke prop through a thick jacket, a fleece and shirt.

The other one was a prop off a .30 four stroke whch hit the modeller's hand. Four stitches to seal the vein and five stitches to sew up the flesh.

Low pass Pete21/07/2017 08:21:28
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As a previous safety officer at a club with 160 members I can say this. Option B is an accident waiting to happen and if one occured then the club committe could be severly critised for condoning such a ridiculous set up. I suggest that your committee takes note of all the comments in this thread. Or contacts the BMFA on this for further advice. I personally would not like to be on a committee that had condoned this if a serious accident happened.
AndyD21/07/2017 17:36:23
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I posted on our clubs face book page about posting this question only to be told its not the place to post and talk to the committee which I have done and will hopefully be doing so at the weekend again.their answer so far its worked for lots of fly ins so whats the problem.

Ronaldo21/07/2017 18:10:59
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We use 'A' on our field.

'B' wouldn't even be allowed, and rightly so !

Denis Watkins21/07/2017 18:50:18
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'B' contravenes all advice, recommendations, and common sense Andy.

Those at your place doing the decision making cannot be flyers

Dave Bran21/07/2017 18:51:59
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Neither is as safe as possible, an uncontrolled plane escaping "A" will inherently veer left towards the back of pilots. "B" is so ridiculous I shall not comment futher!

Dave Bran21/07/2017 18:59:01
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Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 20/07/2017 21:46:48:

I would have thought A, but turned 90 deg clockwise so all the aircraft face away from the pilots, but it would also depend what else is on the site.

EXACTLY!

Dave Bran21/07/2017 19:22:54
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At one of the clubs I have visited, at some point it was decided that petrol was a big risk/danger with people smoking in the pits, and of course stopping smoking there wasn't sensible (DOH!) so there is a separated petrol start/fuelling area (not that it said No Smoking anywhere near it!). The plane I saw using it was untethered and pointed closely straight at the back of pilots legs. Maybe they forgot that the thin line of long grasses used as "protection" die right back in the winter!

Presumably it was also thought that methanol is not flammable. ( yes I know its not as great a risk, but really!)

The problem as always is the people willing (or wanting) to be Committee rarely are actually active experienced pilots with good knowledge of modern processes and certainly from experience rarely have had any training in safety matters.

Dave Hopkin21/07/2017 19:46:17
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Posted by Dave Bran on 21/07/2017 19:22:54:

The problem as always is the people willing (or wanting) to be Committee rarely are actually active experienced pilots with good knowledge of modern processes and certainly from experience rarely have had any training in safety matters.

Really? You think? I must resign as a club sec immediately then or stop flying..................

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