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cymaz26/11/2017 06:10:03
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Just spotted this on the BBC News Site. And of course when the media talk of drones they think of quadcopter

Rich too26/11/2017 07:20:32
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It’s just been on Sky News. “Most” drones are quadcopters. Personally, I’d like them to get on with it so I know where I stand as a country flier. I may have a lot of kit for sale..... angry

Ron Gray26/11/2017 07:36:46
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Trouble is it will be largely unenforceable. Stop vendors selling them unless a licence can be produced will help but then there would also have to be internet control for foreign imports.

I’m totally in favour of more controls, I fly a drone commercially and the idiot drone flyers who can be seen in a lot of places (look at You Tube) cause problems for us all. Geofencing works on the more expensive drones but is not common at the cheaper end of the market.

Unfortunately I think that the horse has bolted.

Rich too26/11/2017 07:40:27
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The thing that makes me angry Ron is that I do not fly a drone. I’ll wait and see what happens and then make a decision on my future in the hobby.

Bob Burton26/11/2017 07:45:25
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I await with interest to see what the definition of a drone turns out to be.

trebor26/11/2017 07:49:48
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How's a license going to prevent ordering parts from China and building your own, I've got 2 quads and there both bitsa,s.

Ron Gray26/11/2017 07:58:26
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@ trebor - exactly my point!

@ Rich too - totally agree, we all fly drones, irrespective of multi rotors  or fixed wing, they are all UAVs so we all get tarred with the same brush unless legislation differentiates between them.

Edited By Ron Gray on 26/11/2017 07:59:43

Steve J26/11/2017 08:08:39
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That article appears to have been prompted by an answer given by Baroness Sugg (DfT) in the Lords.

**LINK**

There is nothing particularly new in what was said. The main thing of interest is that the government "hope to bring legislation forward as soon as possible next year".

Steve

 

Edited By Steve J on 26/11/2017 08:10:27

sharpy107126/11/2017 08:34:09
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It is claimed by the powers to be that this will stop criminal activity. Ha Ha. There is a sign in every town, village city saying 30mph does that stop people doing more than 30mph? There are gun laws, if your a criminal does that stop you from buying/using a gun? I own DJI450 which I have flown responsibly (I believe) I also fly model RC aircraft, which I fly responsibly and I am a member of the BMFA. What astounds me is I walk into Maplins, PCWorld etc there you have drones of all sizes and there is no facility for insurance on them in fact the staff know nothing about the BMFA insurance scheme in many cases. You hear of accidents with drones, sometimes life changing, and there is no insurance supplied by the offender. This will not stop the law breakers.

Edited By Pete B - Moderator on 26/11/2017 08:36:01

cymaz26/11/2017 08:59:28
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HomeBargins are selling Rc helicopters (aka drone) for under £20! Has the BMFA had a say in this or spoken to Baroness Sugg, CAA .?

Peter Miller26/11/2017 09:07:47
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I have to say that I dread the uninformed minds of the legislators..

I base this on the fact that many years ago the MInister for aviation replied to a letter that I sent to my MP.

The minister stated that birds do not fly very high.

Oh No?!!

Canada geese have been seen at 29,000 feet. In text, Twenty nine thousand feet.!!

So much for the "expertise" of the Minister for Aviation and I doubt if any other legislator is any better

cymaz26/11/2017 09:21:15
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Posted by Rich too on 26/11/2017 07:40:27:

The thing that makes me angry Ron is that I do not fly a drone. I’ll wait and see what happens and then make a decision on my future in the hobby.

As I see it ,a drone is a uav. Planes are UAVs. Any UAV is a Rc plane, glider, helicopter..etc..etc. One of our fliers who is a county member, I’ve said to him to pay his insurance now through the club and be a club member. Maybe the legislation will get buried under the brexit work and forgotten about for a couple of years.

Flying illegally or taking the kids out to the park?......

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ChrisB26/11/2017 09:33:59
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Quiet news day, old news rehashed, nothing new.

Steve J26/11/2017 09:51:44
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Actually, there are a couple of things in the article on the government website that the BBC article is derived from that I haven't seen before. One of which is this -

"The Flying High Challenge, funded by the government and run by Nesta in partnership with Innovate UK, is set to launch tomorrow (Monday, 27 November) when cities will be invited to register their interest.

Up to 5 cities will be supported in the research and development of drone technology which could transform critical services in – for example, emergency health services and organ transport, essential infrastructure assessment and repair, and parcel delivery and logistics."

**LINK**

Steve

ChrisB26/11/2017 09:53:49
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We don't encourage multi-rota aircraft at our club, although not banned completely. We don't allow FPV or any automation of any kind for anything.

We don't encourage them primarily because we are a conventional fixed wing model flying club (we don't encourage helicopters either, but there is a dedicated heli club nearby anyway).

Also, society associates MR with the term drones and not a conventional fixed wing model aircraft. So, if locals or someone in authority see a MR hovering around the flying site, they will immediately think of the headlines in the Daily Mail and BBC but seeing a scale model or an aerobatic model or a glider, they will just think of model aeroplanes being flown by men in straw hats at smoking a pipe and will hopefully not get too excited and that's fine with us!

Yes there is and will continue to be legislation for everything that flies but its not the legislation that people should be worried about, its the reaction/overreaction of the media who ultimately influence the average man on the street and the local authorities, be it planning, environmental health, councillors, police etc

ChrisB26/11/2017 10:11:21
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When you read the DFT statement on the GOV website and look at the pictures, what are their main concerns and what is their main interest? Its certainly not a wot4 or a spitfire. Its all about Multi-rota aircraft!

 

Anyway, a Statement from Dave Phipps below (taken from the BMFA Facebook page)

 

Many of you will have seen this morning's news headline relating to multirotors.

As you know, the BMFA works closely with the CAA & EASA to protect our sport.

BMFA Chief Exec, Dave Phipps, has released the below statement to clarify the current situation.

"DfT announces commitment to implement new rules for drones

The DfT (Department for Transport) have today announced their intent to create new legislation to regulate drones. A draft Bill outlining the new laws is in preparation and will be presented to Parliament in the Spring.

The new laws are consistent with the regulations being drafted by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and will introduce new requirements for education, training and registration of drone users (and their drones above 250g) along with new powers for the Police who will be responsible for enforcing the laws.

We remain hopeful that the DfT will retain a ‘common sense’ attitude to model flying and will also follow EASA’s lead on this. EASA recognise the excellent safety record achieved by model flying and have made special provisions in their rules to allow a much ‘lighter touch’ to be applied.

Representatives from the UK Model Flying Associations will be meeting with the DfT early in the New Year to discuss the proposals in greater detail.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-powers-for-police-to-address-illegal-and-unsafe-use-of-drones

Edited By ChrisB on 26/11/2017 10:12:41

ken anderson.26/11/2017 10:13:46
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if any legislation curbs some of the wasters its better than nothing. If you fly within the rules you should have nothing to worry about.RIP the wasters who have total disregard for any existing regs etc......most of us will have seen a bit iffy flying of drones.....or what ever you want to call them...... LOS flying never has been a problem(apart from the odd one)its the "drones" that are flown fpv far and above where they should be that are the concern...... please note -this is my view(one of the many) and isn't intended to offend/or put noses out of joint-unless you are one of the wasters....

ken Anderson...ne...1 rules and regs dept.

Cuban826/11/2017 10:37:40
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Definition of a 'drone'? For our purposes we're talking about machines that fly rather than drone ships, cars etc.

'A device capable of performing functions in a fully autonomous and independent manner after being programmed with instructions by an operator' Am I anywhere near close with this definition.?

ken anderson.26/11/2017 10:41:56
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hello Cuban...you may think your near close...but there will be others who will say your not..... teeth 2

ken Anderson..ne...1 clear dept.

Bob Burton26/11/2017 10:55:41
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"'A device capable of performing functions in a fully autonomous and independent manner after being programmed with instructions by an operator' "

So, I could build and fly a multirotor that had no such functionality and it would not fall under the "drone" regulations ? I can't see that happening.

In order to make things simple I suspect that there will be a simple rule based on weight. This will seem to be simple to enforce but will not work in practice. As for registration, naturally anyone who intends to use their drone for illegal purposes will register it and make sure that it can be identified from a distance.

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