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ted hughes03/01/2018 23:35:44
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The Kitty hawk has been ruined- and we paid a Spitfire for it, too:**LINK**

Callsign Tarnish04/01/2018 08:13:07
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Typical Daily Mail reporting.

The Wright Stuff04/01/2018 08:53:47
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"And anyway, I am sure there are a few artefacts in the British Museum that they would like back."

I would say that's a fair point!

Cuban804/01/2018 10:07:20
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Seems to me that most newspapers are pretty hopeless when it comes to any aviation coverage, since AFAIA, they don't have specialist aviation correspondents as in years past. The criticism reported of the 'restoration' comes from the editor of Britain at War Magazine which is published by the group that produces 'Fly Past', so if they are unhappy with what's happened, then there's clearly a problem.

Don Fry04/01/2018 10:50:12
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Seems to me a better story is how in the course of negotiations a Spitfire was gifted, with no recovery option if the negotiations failed.

Don't shout at me if I have the wrong end of the stick. My information source is the Mail.

Edited By Don Fry on 04/01/2018 10:50:34

Cuban804/01/2018 11:19:38
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Quite a bit of coverage on this debacle, looks like the Spit is still in the UK and being hangared by Kennet Aviation at North Weald.

**LINK**

ted hughes04/01/2018 12:24:49
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I think the restoration is an absolute tragedy. A plane found in a time capsule 70 years after it was lost has been patched and repainted in a garish way to represent a generic Kittyhawk.

I don't suppose it can be used as an historical reference now.

I'm pleased we still have the Spit, if Cuban8 is right.

PatMc04/01/2018 12:34:35
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Compared to what we've done to Egyptian artefacts of much greater historical importance I don't see that we have anything to complain about.

Cuban804/01/2018 13:16:32
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Some video of the crash site and of the machine's state of preservation. The human tragedy is that of Sergeant Pilot Copping - and looking at the area of the crash in the video, one can only wonder at how he must have felt to find himself alone in such an inhospitable place. Sadly, his remains appear to be somewhere in the locality, possibly within twenty miles, and one can only imagine the distress of his family who never knew of his fate.
ted hughes04/01/2018 13:17:32
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Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 12:34:35:

Compared to what we've done to Egyptian artefacts of much greater historical importance I don't see that we have anything to complain about.

But we have everything to complain about.

History should teach us:that was then, hopefully we do things differently now.

If we can't learn from history, it is a very poor situation.

The Kittyhawk was one of the most complete, primary resource, artefact, discovered from WW11.

Now it has been destroyed by morons.

KiwiKid04/01/2018 13:32:20
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I think their heart was in the right place, but she is a bit of a rivet counter's nightmare (that spinner!):

kittyhawk.jpg

and the paint scheme is a bit of a howler. I think they were trying to go for the period scheme: **LINK**

but a bit of a swing and a miss there too.

PatMc04/01/2018 14:33:20
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Posted by ted hughes on 04/01/2018 13:17:32:
Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 12:34:35:

Compared to what we've done to Egyptian artefacts of much greater historical importance I don't see that we have anything to complain about.

But we have everything to complain about.

History should teach us:that was then, hopefully we do things differently now.

If we can't learn from history, it is a very poor situation.

The Kittyhawk was one of the most complete, primary resource, artefact, discovered from WW11.

Now it has been destroyed by morons.

That's jingoistic nonsense. The aircraft in question is simply an example of a particular weapon of war that's been well documented. The real tragedy is that search for Sergeant Copping's remains was badly mishandled.

Instead of offering a Spitfire perhaps we should have offered to return some of the many ancient Egyptian artefacts that we still hold in museums & private collections.

ted hughes04/01/2018 16:13:02
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Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 14:33:20:
Posted by ted hughes on 04/01/2018 13:17:32:
Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 12:34:35:

Compared to what we've done to Egyptian artefacts of much greater historical importance I don't see that we have anything to complain about.

But we have everything to complain about.

History should teach us:that was then, hopefully we do things differently now.

If we can't learn from history, it is a very poor situation.

The Kittyhawk was one of the most complete, primary resource, artefact, discovered from WW11.

Now it has been destroyed by morons.

That's jingoistic nonsense. The aircraft in question is simply an example of a particular weapon of war that's been well documented. The real tragedy is that search for Sergeant Copping's remains was badly mishandled.

Instead of offering a Spitfire perhaps we should have offered to return some of the many ancient Egyptian artefacts that we still hold in museums & private collections.

Sort of tit for tat, you think?

We destroyed your things in the past,so you can now destroy ours? Okay......

PatMc04/01/2018 17:26:00
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Posted by ted hughes on 04/01/2018 16:13:02:
Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 14:33:20:
Posted by ted hughes on 04/01/2018 13:17:32:
Posted by PatMc on 04/01/2018 12:34:35:

Compared to what we've done to Egyptian artefacts of much greater historical importance I don't see that we have anything to complain about.

But we have everything to complain about.

History should teach us:that was then, hopefully we do things differently now.

If we can't learn from history, it is a very poor situation.

The Kittyhawk was one of the most complete, primary resource, artefact, discovered from WW11.

Now it has been destroyed by morons.

That's jingoistic nonsense. The aircraft in question is simply an example of a particular weapon of war that's been well documented. The real tragedy is that search for Sergeant Copping's remains was badly mishandled.

Instead of offering a Spitfire perhaps we should have offered to return some of the many ancient Egyptian artefacts that we still hold in museums & private collections.

Sort of tit for tat, you think?

We destroyed your things in the past,so you can now destroy ours? Okay......

I haven't mentioned anyone destroying anything.

The aircraft is not a rarity or of any particular historical importance. If it had been I daresay we might have offered something of importance that we had stolen in the past from Egypt.
As it stands the Egyptian authorities have merely kept something that belongs to them & restored it to the standard they have decided on. They could just as easily removed all ordnance then left it for the locals to salvage the scrap metal. Given the political upheaval that has been taking place in Egypt since Mubarak was forced to resign it's surprising that any restoration work was carried out at all.

McG 696904/01/2018 17:36:46
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I'm not British, not Egyptian either, but I tend to agree with PatMC's argumentation.

It was (is) on Egyptian territory after all and quite sure they could have done a better job of the restoration but then "it isn't of any historical importance".

My thoughts are more directed to the nightmare that Sergeant Copping has been going through. Let the Great Flyer up there take care of his soul.

Chris

john stones 104/01/2018 17:50:12
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We've lots tucked away in museums all over the place as have many Countries, arguments for and against it, lot of things would still be buried under tons of sand and no one would see nor learn about it. I blame Indiana n Lara myself. wink Aeroplane ? no biggie.

Stephen Smith 1404/01/2018 19:10:38
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I like it

Don Fry04/01/2018 19:12:53
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I have to agree with PatMc. The people of Great Briton have a fairly unique view of the past.

I am not saying a right or wrong view.

And I am trying to apply mind bleach to my thoughts of what that poor pilot went through.

Edited By Don Fry on 04/01/2018 19:14:33

Don Fry04/01/2018 19:17:55
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And having suffered from a fair few "what am I looking at" moments with camouflaged aircraft, a scale P40 of that one at least will be flyable in winter.

john stones 104/01/2018 19:21:30
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The people of Great Britain will never get a say in repatriating the likes of the Elgin Marbles, when we getting our Druids back from the Romans ? Romans ? what did they ever do for us. sad

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