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Chris's Vicomte 1916

... aka the Baron 1914 or the Svenson Vicomte 1915

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Martian11/09/2018 12:38:45
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all lovely stuff Chris oh and don't forget the weight of le pilote

McG 696911/09/2018 19:10:01
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Hi Martian,

No worries, I won't forget Pierre, 'le pilote'. smiley

I made my own pilots for my Bella Ballerina and the lightest one at 1:6 scale weighted 8g but was quite fragile.

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I will be making a new more realistic - less 'stiff' - one for Vicky as I will be able to use it for the Fury as well, being at the same scale. That is, if I ever get to the point of starting that latter build. indecision

I guestimate the 'new' one will be around 15 - 18g.

Hakuna matata

Chris

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McG 696912/09/2018 18:43:34
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Hello to all,

If any living soul is still interested in the figures, let’s have that second part of the weighing process.

The stab/elevator parts are 35g. The fin and rudder 17g, the tail skid 7g, the Spanwis 10g and Pierre estimated at 20g at most.

That brings our provisional weight to > 274 + 236 + 35 + 17 + 7 +10 + 20, being a total of 599g.

Now the original Svenson plan clearly states a weight of 800g without R/C stuff. So I supposed it was the weight of the assembled parts included in the kit, which are outlined here above, exception made for the u/c wire. Why then that difference of +/- 200 grams? question

I’m certainly not complaining about it, but am I missing some point here, please… ? blush angel

Hakuna matata

Chris

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Robert Parker13/09/2018 18:42:17
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Hi Chris,

Only thing I can think of is the covering, it does add a little to the weight at the end, I'm allowing around 500g for my Dornier build this includes the brown paper glue and paint plus fibre glass to the hull, any less is a bonus.

Regards

Robert

McG 696914/09/2018 14:00:05
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Thank you for commenting, Robert. yes

I thought you could be right thinking about the weight of the covering, so I went to check the Svenson construction notes.

Unfortunately the covering was 'optional' - they do mention Solartex and used it on their prototype - and isn't part of the vintage kit and the mentioned frame weight. frown

Your idea made me think about the vintage wheels, but they're not included either as they advise to buy some vintage Veron or Williams Bros examples.

Anyhow, it seems that I have a bit of a' weight bonus' that I will eagerly use for my planned detailing. wink

Hakuna matata

Chris

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McG 696917/09/2018 18:02:25
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Hi again,

Unfortunately, no visit at La Grotte this weekend. The LotH's elections are getting closer and it seems one can really 'feel' it. Meetings, study committees, program reunions, visits to local evening markets and a proper 'steak & hen' lunch and dinner party during last two days... sad cocktail angel

However back to duty today and I do realize this isn’t ‘world news’ at all, but I finally decided to post it anyway.

Even if it can only help one forumite, it will be worth the trouble of posting as it can be handy with all types of translucent covering.

As you all know by now, Vicky is going to be covered with translucent Natural Solartex.

As a few spots needed a bit of filler, like the epoxy glued elevator joiner, the simple use of lightweight ‘white’ filler would easily show up through the covering.

I thought about using a ‘cousin’ of the famous ‘Freddie B sauce’ and decided to mix a small amount of filler with a few drops of Deluxe’s ‘Sand & Seal’ and half a drop of brown artist acrylic paint.

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The mixture can then easily be brushed on in any desired thickness and is a pleasure to sand.

I was a tiny bit heavy-handed with the brown acryl as it is a bit too dark compared to the balsa, but Vicky’s parts will receive a darker staining anyway.

Hakuna matata

Chris

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Paul C.17/09/2018 18:24:41
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Hi Chris just back from our hols in sunny Greece where it was unseasonably hot smile d not much Internet where we were so have been catching up on things. Sound's as though the election work is going well hope you get the result for all of the work that you both have put in yes. As usual all of the work on Vicki is spot on, looking forward to the next installment.

Paul.

McG 696918/09/2018 17:14:56
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Thanks for visiting, Paul.

I'll forgive you leaving for holidays 'again'. wink

The LotH and I really love Greece and Creta even more as the people over there really have a fantastic sense of hospitality.

We normally go early June and - post summer - beginning October, but this year the latter had to be cancelled due to 'election duties' for Iris. She's really working hard and I try to assist her the best I can.

Being 2nd in position on her party list, she has a big opportunity of being part of the Council.

Of course this is slowing down Vicky's build and will also certainly delay my Fury Masterclass commitment, but 'Priorities First'... smiley cool

I managed to have a mini-session at La Grotte today and some pics will follow shortly. angel

Hakuna matata

Chris

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Edited By McG 6969 on 18/09/2018 17:22:16

McG 696919/09/2018 19:49:52
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Hello to all,

As the basic parts of the frame and control surfaces are now mainly built, Gaston insisted on having our first ‘bench flying’ session. cool

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First impression to me is that it appears quite ‘large’ at 1600mm wingspan or Gaston might just have been shrinking a bit.... ? wink

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As Gaston seems chuffed, I can only be pleased too. yes

Hakuna matata

Chris

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Steven Shaw19/09/2018 20:11:05
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Looking good - nice size battery compartment and those wing ribs look amazing Chris

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Robert Parker19/09/2018 20:40:04
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Hi Chris,

Looks amazing,no wonder Gaston is pleased I would be too with a model like that.

Regards

Robert

McG 696920/09/2018 18:53:45
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Hi to All,

Thank you both for the very motivating comments, gents. smiley

I managed to have a long and fertile afternoon in La Grotte today.

As the next step will involve staining of all those wooden parts, at least the bits in contact with the covering, I started with the first layer of tainted Sand 'n Seal to all of them.

While that was drying, I sanded the already stained fin/rudder with a soft rubbing of 800 grit. This gives a very 'old fashion' furniture patina. Even Drew Pritchard might be totally envious... wink

The stab/elevator got a final staining as well as the tail skid and the bottom side of the wing.

Those parts are now drying and I hope to be able to finish the rest of it as well tomorrow.

Pics to follow when it's 'safe enough'. angel

Hakuna matata

Chris

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dirk tinck21/09/2018 23:48:51
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Hi Chris, very clean building job i must say !Some day i will build one like this , for some relaxed evening flights.

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator22/09/2018 04:09:25
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Beautiful workmanship Chris, quite outstanding. When you see a model like that it almost seems a shame to cover it!

BEB

McG 696922/09/2018 12:33:17
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Thanks for the kind and nice words, gents.

The Vicomte is supposed to be a great flyer, Dirk. If built light it can even be that slow that it's able to fly 'backwards' in a little breeze. Supposedly excellent for some calm and lazy evening flights. cool

I share your thoughts regarding the covering, BEB. But I guess it won't fly that great without it. wink

The plan is to stain - with diluted burnt umber acrylic paint - the wood that gets in contact with the covering. With the use of translucent Natural Solartex, I hope to obtain sufficient contrast to be able to still notice the underlying structure. Did I wrote "I hope"...

Back to La Grotte now for the next staining session.

Hakuna matata

Chris

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McG 696923/09/2018 19:02:48
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Hi again, gents.

I’ve always liked to play with acrylics and particularly having them diluted to act like ‘aquarelle’ paint. Hence I thought Vicky’s wood staining would be quite enjoyable, but in the end, I’m glad having reached the end of it. cool

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Mind you, I really like the result, but it just took me a bit too long to remain totally therapeutic.

I also painted the bottom of the cockpit in flat black to give it some more ‘depth’.

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The tail skid received a bottom ‘gliding’ protection. I simply used the cut off of a nylon tie wrap, making sure I kept the ‘teeth’ at the inside… angel

Hakuna matata

Chris

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john stones 123/09/2018 19:13:17
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I echo what's been said Chris, very good accurate work, I take my flat cap off to you, as would Drew. yes

McG 696924/09/2018 11:39:16
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Very kind, John. Thanks.

When I was reading about the "flat cap", I had a large smile and imagined Mr Pritchard making me an offer of £200 for Vicky.

I answered that he should have a look at that Dutch Antique Shop asking €475 for a very 'tired' Vicomte and that when starting over at €600, we could have another talk... angel cool

Hakuna matata

Chris

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McG 696924/09/2018 21:06:53
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Hello to all,

As I had time enough between the staining drying sessions, I had a small progress with some detailing bits.

I have some 2mm thin and light ply of ‘unknown’ quality as it is the bottom of a French goat cheese from the ‘Vosges’ region. The two main advantages are that it has a thin vinyl lamination and… it’s free. smiley

The lamination should help to assist the smooth adhesion of some water transfers, hence perfect to make Vicky’s instrument panel.

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As I had a duo of those decals - thanks for it, Gaston yes - I tested a solution that could give a more ‘glossy’ glass-type aspect to the gauges.

I tried to score the perimeter of the applied decals to be able to fill the gauge surface with a glossy ‘substance’ but I only managed to ruin the test decals. sad

Scoring the transfer with the backpaper still on gave a much better result. I also tested different glues to be applied by capillarity, ie B7000 (jewellers glue) = too ‘gel-ish’, F560 (canopy glue) = nicely fluid, but too matt and finally, simple household Pattex 100% = a bit lacking of capillarity but very nicely glossy when dry.

Unfortunately, the pic and the angle of the light don’t really show the top dashboard as being very different to the one underneath. frown

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This angle is a bit better but again only full daylight gives its gauges the true brightness.

At least I can erase my doubts regarding the visibility of the Photoshop'd brass screws as they remain easily noticeable even at this small scale.

Hakuna matata

Chris

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Andy G.25/09/2018 08:28:34
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Chris, you forgot the third and possibly most important advantage to that plywood. You get to eat the delicious goat's cheese before you set off to La Grotte!!

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