By continuing to use this site, you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more
Forum sponsored by:
Forum sponsored by CML

Electric Cars.

All Topics | Latest Posts

Search for:  in Thread Title in  
Don Fry23/04/2019 19:40:14
avatar
4557 forum posts
54 photos
Posted by Nigel R on 23/04/2019 14:44:10:

" There is a German based company whom have battery technology under development which is free from materials such as lithium. They also claim that it will offer a considerable saving in weight, plus an increase in capacity over present battery systems. They have stated that it is 4 to 5 years from production."

**LINK**

Your German battery is the latest entry in post #1, I think?

So you didn't get an answer, just a lateral shift.

Peter Christy29/04/2019 09:12:46
1776 forum posts

Interesting article on how electric cars emit more CO2 than diseasels here:

German study

That takes into consideration manufacture and mining for all the rare materials used.

Makes me feel quite smug about keeping a 48 year old car on the road! wink

--

Pete

Nigel R29/04/2019 11:03:57
avatar
3736 forum posts
585 photos

Pete, that's the most environmentally friendly option available, I think, keep the old units running! Sadly not so attractive to any large manufacturer.

It's only one study but the result is not especially surprising.

However the picture may shift somewhat, and become clearly in favour of electric, if battery cell lifespan is extended with newer technologies or processes. Which I believe is currently the focus of a lot of research.

Frank Skilbeck29/04/2019 11:50:18
avatar
4681 forum posts
101 photos

Yes but they conveniently forgot the emissions during oil production, transportation and refining which are estimated to add between 15-40% of CO2 emissions from using hydrocarbons. So if you car is rated at 120 mg/km tailpipe emissions then this is really 140 to 200 mg/km. Plus they look at electricity generation in Germany of which coal is still a large proportion.

Maybe I should have kept my old Yamaha 350 2 stroke twin to be environmentally friendly.

Piers Bowlan29/04/2019 13:31:40
avatar
2118 forum posts
53 photos

- 'Electricity generation in Germany of which coal is still a large proportion' It is not just a case of still but following Merkels commitment to close all its nuclear power stations by 2022, Germany is busily building lots of new ones! Nothing to do with the fact that Germany has huge coal reserves with heaps of cheap coal from neighbouring Poland too.

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 29/04/2019 13:34:20

Former Member29/04/2019 13:39:22

[This posting has been removed]

Trevor Crook29/04/2019 14:09:53
939 forum posts
67 photos

Peter, the other comment is right - fossil fuel advocates always omit the amount of emissions and environmental damage that extracting, refining and transporting oil products causes.

Interestingly, the world's largest battery is being constructed in Texas. It will be charged by a solar array and will be used to power their oil production facilities! Ironically, it's much cheaper than powering it with oil or gas.

ken anderson.29/04/2019 15:38:08
avatar
8634 forum posts
779 photos

75% of China's leccy is generated from coal fired stations....bet their not in a hurry to swap....

Ken Anderson...ne...1 .. generating dept.

Former Member29/04/2019 15:54:25

[This posting has been removed]

Piers Bowlan29/04/2019 17:12:31
avatar
2118 forum posts
53 photos
Posted by Percy Verance on 29/04/2019 13:39:22:

Polish coal has been arriving in the UK for a fair length of time Piers - possibly 20 years plus . It was one of the things that got Arthur hot under the collar .......

My point Percy was that Germany is building new coal fired power stations whilst Britain is closing the last of theirs.

Frank Skilbeck29/04/2019 17:36:03
avatar
4681 forum posts
101 photos
Posted by Piers Bowlan on 29/04/2019 17:12:31:
Posted by Percy Verance on 29/04/2019 13:39:22:

Polish coal has been arriving in the UK for a fair length of time Piers - possibly 20 years plus . It was one of the things that got Arthur hot under the collar .......

My point Percy was that Germany is building new coal fired power stations whilst Britain is closing the last of theirs.

**LINK**

Former Member29/04/2019 17:45:23

[This posting has been removed]

Peter Christy29/04/2019 17:52:58
1776 forum posts

We nearly lost our flying site a couple of years ago, to solar panels! Luckily, the council decided that there were already plenty of solar farms in the area (there are!) and refused planning permission.

--

Pete

Toni Reynaud29/04/2019 18:21:45
avatar
423 forum posts
58 photos

As an aside, this website provides a look at how power is generated in the UK. Gridwatch

Edited By Toni Reynaud on 29/04/2019 18:22:01

Don Fry29/04/2019 18:23:37
avatar
4557 forum posts
54 photos

Three points.

Germany does coal because under EU regulations, a country can subsidise one fuel source. Germany does coal. One Margaret Thatcher chose to do nuclear after the miners strike.

Re solar panels, they use a rare earth element, China has banned its export in other than "processed forms" i.e. Panels. There is not much in the rest of the world, hence no non Chinese panels.

And I read, this week, Volkswagen, source of information, reckon that, total emission, over the lifetime of product, has tipped in favour of EV vehicles.

I make no comment on the points.

Former Member29/04/2019 19:06:57

[This posting has been removed]

Peter Christy29/04/2019 19:49:08
1776 forum posts
Posted by Don Fry on 29/04/2019 18:23:37:

And I read, this week, Volkswagen, source of information, reckon that, total emission, over the lifetime of product, has tipped in favour of EV vehicles.

Hmm! Volkswagen! Aren't they the ones caught "massaging" the diesel figures? (Tongue firmly in cheek!)

--

Pete

Former Member29/04/2019 20:39:59

[This posting has been removed]

Former Member30/04/2019 00:39:08
3577 forum posts

[This posting has been removed]

Piers Bowlan30/04/2019 05:40:40
avatar
2118 forum posts
53 photos
Posted by Frank Skilbeck on 29/04/2019 17:36:03:
Posted by Piers Bowlan on 29/04/2019 17:12:31:
Posted by Percy Verance on 29/04/2019 13:39:22:

Polish coal has been arriving in the UK for a fair length of time Piers - possibly 20 years plus . It was one of the things that got Arthur hot under the collar .......

My point Percy was that Germany is building new coal fired power stations whilst Britain is closing the last of theirs.

**LINK**

Thanks for that Frank, looks like they have seen the light at last. At least they will all be gone by 2038! At the end of 2018 40% of German power production was from burning coal, 5% for the UK. The Germans have opened 27 new coal fired power stations in the last 12 years. Lignite;- nasty polluting brown coal (like burning peat).

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 30/04/2019 05:56:19

All Topics | Latest Posts

Please login to post a reply.

Latest Forum Posts
Support Our Partners
electricwingman 2017
Sussex Model Centre
CML
Slec
Sarik
Advertise With Us
Latest "For Sale" Ads
Has home isolation prompted you to start trad' building?
Q: The effects of Coronavirus

 Yes - for the first time
 Yes - but Ive bashed balsa before
 No - Ive existing projects on the bench
 No - Im strictly an ARTF person

Latest Reviews
Digital Back Issues

RCM&E Digital Back Issues

Contact us

Contact us

Magazine Locator

Want the latest issue of RCM&E? Use our magazine locator link to find your nearest stockist!

Find RCM&E!