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ChrisB05/02/2018 09:53:40
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The best way to get answers to your questions in this context is face to face ‘hands on’ which really means joining or at least speaking to someone in a club who can show you rather than trying to do it remotely.

Cheers

CB

Percy Verance05/02/2018 09:55:00
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Exactly Chris, but unfortunately the indications appear to show the message isn't getting through........

Anyway I've decided to move on. If someone just won't listen, there isn't much else you can do. If he won't answer my questions, I shan't answer his.

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 05/02/2018 10:12:00

fly boy305/02/2018 12:20:04
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It,s an unfortunate fact of life, some people can never be helped. If this forum and PC.s were around when I wanted to learn to fly, and with all the help and great information from forum members being given freely I would be a far better pilot years ago lol .Cheers

Cuban805/02/2018 12:27:03
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Might be an idea to firstly refer all new beginners on the forum to this **LINK**

Read through that lot first and then come back with specific questions that can be addressed without going over old ground.

PatMc05/02/2018 12:36:10
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Percy lighten up, model aircraft simply might not have the priority in Tom's life that you think it should have.

Tom, here's a link to the British Model Flying Association's introduction to starting in the hobby of model flying.
I suggest that you read this, look around for a local club etc as suggested, then if you have any further questions post them on this forum but please acknowledge answers even if it's only to say "thank's".

PatMc05/02/2018 12:44:28
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Cuban8 posted as I was typing. I think it might be a good idea to refer any future new starters to the links that C8 & I have given before launching into what can be confusing advice.

Percy Verance05/02/2018 12:44:49
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Pat

I and others in this thread have asked Tom a number of questions, sometimes repeatedly. Yet he seems to sort of skip over/side Step them and go onto other, completely unrelated issues. Several of us have suggested he contact a club in his area, yet he didn't ask once about club fees, Instructor availability etc.

And to cap it all, Paul Marsh, who hails from Cheshire as does *Tom*, appeared on the forum last night. I urged Tom to ask any questions he might have. It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume Tom might ask Paul about the club he's a member of, or if they have any membership vacancies just now. But no. He didn't even venture to ask about the cost of membership. In fact he vanished.......

Remember Pat, Tom came here asking for help, yet seems unwilling to take any advice that is offered. And what about the answer he gave when I posed the question about transmitter modes? He said he was "ok" with that side of things as he worked in IT. Is that really a proper answer? I'll leave you to decide...... In fact if you look back through the thread, he hasn't answered one single question clearly or properly........

And yes, the link C8 has put on is indeed excellent. There is lots of useful info there for beginners. I'm not certain it'll even be read in this instance though........

Anyway as I said earlier, I'm done here. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 05/02/2018 13:02:23

Rob Ashley05/02/2018 13:40:38
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Tom,

There is nothing wrong with continuing to build your own plane if that's what you want to do. Years ago this was the only route to go, but there are now other ready made models on the market that make your journey to successful flight a little easier. Perhaps it is better to build yours in the background whilst learning to fly on a 'known' platform. By this I mean one that has already flown and is trimmed and balanced correctly - there are plenty of trainers out there and some clubs even have a club trainer. Learning from someone else will reduce the time it takes for you to learn the basics and give you more smiles per £ spent.

I'm like you and want to know everything all at once, but in this hobby there is a multitude of information out there (not all good or indeed correct) and it will take a lifetime to acquire it all; but there are things that are more important to know sooner and this is where an instructor can help.

A lot of people have commented here all trying to offer help and it can be daunting to assimilate all of the advice given, but don't let that put you off - one of the best things about this hobby is the amount of help available.

Rob

Levanter05/02/2018 14:07:28
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Wow
​This thread is less than three days old and Tom has posted seven times since his first enquiry. His first post apologised for the delayed reply saying he was busy and in a short time he has had a mountain of information (well intended for sure) but much of the time seeming to be quite patronising.
​I doubt the poor bloke has had a chance to breathe. I don't think it is helpful if newcomers like Tom are made to feel under pressure.
​He could quite easily go and buy an RTF park flyer. Aren't Webbies in Cheshire and there are EDF foamie jets that won't break too much including the bank.
​Good luck Tom and in your own time.
Levanter

Steve Houghton05/02/2018 14:08:19
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Hi Tom,

I live in Sandbach and fly with the Mid Cheshire club. All the information you need about us is here:

**LINK**

Drop the secretary an email at the contact address on the website, and you'll be sure of a warm welcome and lots of advice.

Percy Verance05/02/2018 14:56:02
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Levanter

If asking Tom questions is putting him under pressure, how else might we find out how much he knows, or what aspects of the hobby interest him the most?

I'm a little perplexed as almost all my questions to Tom went ignored/unanswered. I asked him whether he'd prefer to fly electric or i.c. powered models. There was no immeadiate answer. I asked him about transmitter modes, and did he realise that if he was taught by a club Instructor it would an advantage to be using the same make of radio on a similar mode. No response here either, apart from some reference to working in IT. At least twice I asked him what his thoughts were regarding club membership? I'm still awaiting an answer.....

When pressed - not by me I hasten to add - about what models he'd like to fly, he said he'd like to fly jets.

I'm sorry Levanter, but this a little beyond my patience threshold.

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 05/02/2018 15:04:48

Andy4805/02/2018 16:49:40
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Posted by Percy Verance on 05/02/2018 14:56:02:

I asked him about transmitter modes, and did he realise that if he was taught by a club Instructor it would an advantage to be using the same make of radio on a similar mode.

This is no longer of the slightest inportance if he or the instructor uses FrSky gear, and probably other newer radios. OpenTX for instance will link to most other makes of transmitter, indeed the Horus has both JR and Futaba style trainer ports. By the same token the mode is no longer important, any mode to any mode can be used; the instructor can even allow just some controls to be handed over. Given that you can now get a FrSky transmitter using OpenTx for just over £70, and this guy is an IT expert, this is a distinct possibility.

Jonathan M05/02/2018 17:06:09
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The secret of negotiation is silence.

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Tom will find a quiet moment to re-read and ingest all the advice, which is overwhelming to join a club.

If he really wants to, he'll find a local club, which are mostly very welcoming, then they'll look after him. The club might be IC or electric-oriented. They might have their own training aircraft, else they can advise him what model to buy and/or build as his own trainer, and what basic transmitter to buy to be used with a buddy-box etc. When the weather improves he can start down the long road of learning to safely, satisfyingly and not too expensively pilot a model from the ground. Under proper guidance, he probably won't take long to get the hang of the basics. As he progresses in skills and knowledge his ideas about what he aspires to might change. His dream might still be jets, might become helis, maybe aerobatics or scale, or even soaring? Maybe he'll stand back and assess that there just isn't time room in his life for the depth of patience and learning necessary?

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Tom, in the meantime you might download a copy of Picasim onto your phone or preferably tablet: **LINK**

laugh

john stones 105/02/2018 17:14:18
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Maybe we should calm down a little ?

Don Fry05/02/2018 17:24:19
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Posted by john stones 1 on 05/02/2018 17:14:18:

Maybe we should calm down a little ?

Ditto

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator05/02/2018 17:59:16
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Wow chaps. I've only just re-discovered this! I last saw it three posts in on page one when it was a fairly standard new flyer enquiry. How did we get to this state of affairs? I don't feel that, as a community, we.ve exactly covered ourselves in glory here!

I know, because I know you guys, that all this advice comes with the very best of intentions to help. I also know that many of you are very enthusiastic and want to progress right now - this instant! But sometimes beginners need time, looking at the posts of around 21:00 last night the OP must have felt like he was having a light shined in his eyes and being interrogated!! Failure to answer within a few minutes drew criticism! I know you were only trying to get information to help him in a structured way - and he (like lots of beginners!) wasn't being very structured and instead kept going off in another direction - but that's the way it is sometimes. All we can do is try to guide him and answer the questions he asks as best we can - even when we think they are not actually the most important questions just at the moment! In other words - follow his lead and "guide him from behind" as it were!

Bear in mind we all learn differently, Some are very methodical and systematic - others are like butterflies, flitting from one topic to another picking up bits of information here and there and putting them all together "off line" to build a coherent picture. The OP mentioned that he worked in IT - in my experience a lot of very good IT people follow this second path - garnering info from others, manuals, Youtube, websites etc to form a picture. It looks chaotic and random to those more structured in their thinking, but believe me it works very well for those people who's mind goes that way!

We have to allow newcommers to the hobby who ask us advice to "be themselves", we have to accommodate their way to some degree. We can't always insist that they follow our route in our sequence and its quite wrong I think to refuse to help because they won't "play the game" in just the way we want it played! A liittle more patience, understanding and tolerance is called for.

Please, let's not have a repeat of this - its not like us at all and it not what we do.

BEB

Edited By Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator on 05/02/2018 18:23:23

Paul Marsh05/02/2018 18:04:06
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Hi, Tom.

We (the club ) have a meeting tonight in Congleton at 8pm at the Beartown Tap. See you there?

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator05/02/2018 18:11:13
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Nice one Paul. |I know that place - nice pub! smile

We (our club) also have a meeting tonight - but its a boring committee meeting - some people have all the luck!

BEB

Paul Marsh05/02/2018 18:13:13
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I've PM'd him...

Rob Ashley05/02/2018 18:15:07
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Nicely said BEB.

Edited By Rob Ashley on 05/02/2018 18:15:34

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