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extra slim17/02/2018 15:31:54
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So, vintage models of a radio annoyance variety have enjoyed a bit of a renaissance within our club over the last couple of years, and being the youngest member, who flies all manner of aircraft aside from vintage, figured if I can’t beat them, join them.

I was lucky enough to be handed a beautiful plane which appears to be a modified Vic Smeed Soubrette, with an MPJET 040 which I converted to RC, and flies incredibly well, and really relaxing to throw in the air at the end of a days session when the wind drops off.

With this in mind, my dad informed me of a plane in his loft, which he recalls seeing flown as freeflight obviously as a lad by his uncle Billy in 1953!! on the common behind Windermere.

His cousin passed it to dad many years after his unlce had passed and there it sat in dads loft for many years.

He dug it out and put a few pics on this forum, but no one could enlighten us as to what it was..(we still don’t know!)

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extra slim17/02/2018 15:33:17
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Time has taken its toll

On a visit to dads we decided to take a good look at it and stripped it back. The wings and tail feathers seemed fine, but some critters had been busy on the fuselage!!

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extra slim17/02/2018 15:34:44
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Phoenix from the worms

We were both taken by the design and dad thought it a good project to try and get her back in the air, so set about carefully deconstructing the fus and building a new one.. at the same time, strengthening the wings with cross braces and chopping the tail feathers to accommodate a rudder and elevator.. top job by the old fella as usual..

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extra slim17/02/2018 15:36:15
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Broken nose

The original, had sort of a chin, held on by elastic bands, as a crunch point for its free flight days, and dad didn’t recall a cowl being present, so we regressed him back in time under hypnosis to visualise what he thought it might have looked like and came up with this beauty!.. quite surprising as structurally there is no one better, but design not one of his fortes!

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extra slim17/02/2018 15:38:05
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Lipstick on the pig

After dads efforts, like most of his projects, when it comes to finishing, he gleans little satisfaction from the finishing touches and so passed it onto me, to cover and complete it… no pressure. .. I felt like I was working on a Rembrandt!... or something … I wanted to stick loosely to its original colours to show some respect, and below are the results. Powered by a PAW 1.49, a tank made by one of my friendly club members, she is 43” and weighs 27 ounces, (she needed 2.5 oz up front to get the balance to 33% which is where the consensus seemed to indicate CG for an elliptical wing form) and we are very pleased with the results. Wing loading appears around 14.5 Oz per Sq ft, which I think should be OK, and the club members of the generation think the PAW 1.49 will be more than enough… hope so..

I really hope it goes well, and that great Uncle Billy would be pleased with our efforts.

Hope you like it..

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J D 817/02/2018 16:08:04
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Lovely looking model and as others have suggested 1.49 PAW will be plenty. My Mercury Matador is fitted with one but has a throttle fitted and spends most it's time at half throttle.

Your PAW is of the later type that could have a throttle if you want.Good luck.yes

Edited By J D 8 on 17/02/2018 16:08:35

Mowerman17/02/2018 16:09:52
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Looks great, hope it flies as well as it looks,

Bob Cotsford17/02/2018 20:00:25
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What a brilliant resurrection!

kevin b17/02/2018 20:39:30
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Can you put a pilot in it please.

Nothing looks worse than a cockpit that is empty.

Better to have no cockpit !

extra slim17/02/2018 21:26:55
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Thanks for the kind words chaps..i did toy with a throttle for the PAW, but wanted it to be as light as possible..it is still on the cards and would be a relatively easy job.. I hear the enya 09 carbs are slightly better than the factory ones although PAW is just down the road from me..

. haha Kevin, you must be in my club!!, I get constant grief about pilots and my lack of .. if it flys well,I will have a look for one and break my habit!!

Edited By extra slim on 17/02/2018 21:30:35

Tom Sharp 218/02/2018 01:23:01
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Lovely job,

Put something from 'Star Wars' in the cockpit, that will stop the moaners.

Martin Harris18/02/2018 01:42:42
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Posted by extra slim on 17/02/2018 15:31:54:

With this in mind, my dad informed me of a plane in his loft, which he recalls seeing flown as freeflight obviously as a lad by his uncle Billy in 1953!! on the common behind Windermere.

His cousin passed it to dad many years after his unlce had passed and there it sat in dads loft for many years.

He dug it out and put a few pics on this forum, but no one could enlighten us as to what it was..(we still don’t know!)

 

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I don't recall the thread so apologies if this duplicates anything but to me it has echoes of the Kiel Kraft Phantom models in both side view and planform. As there was a Phantom Mite, perhaps KK (or an individual) designed a high winged free flight model based on the series called a Phantom Sprite?

Edited By Martin Harris on 18/02/2018 01:45:30

J D 818/02/2018 09:00:20
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If its any help the PAW throttle works just fine on mine.Let us know when she flys. John.

cymaz18/02/2018 10:50:24
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What a stunning job....excellent job from bringing it back from the dead....well done.

extra slim18/02/2018 20:12:05
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Thanks for the kind words Cymaz, and thanks for the info on the RC PAW Carb JD8. I could do with some standard issue Keilkraft test medium (long grass!! laugh).. its all a bit bare, damp and soggy ground at the moment and I wouldnt mind giving it a few test glides with not knowing where the CG should be (an educated guess at 33%), plus not having a throttle.. I wouldnt mind getting a feel before she is chucked into the beyond!..

I'm in no rush.. it has been 65yrs since it last flew!!

Dave Cunnington18/02/2018 20:44:21
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Love the lines of this one....did dad perchance draw up any plans ?

Rgds

extra slim18/02/2018 21:06:33
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Hi there, he probably did the fus.. but wings haven't been dismantled, they are untouched...I'll ask him

Mark Stevens 119/02/2018 01:38:32
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The Kiel Kraft likeness has already been previously mentioned in this thread and I cannot help but notice the likeness to the old KK Sportster, originally a free flight model.

The wings, tailplane and fin are even the same shape. I'm guessing some mods were done on the fuselage to accommodate the engine and of course a slightly different canopy.

It's pretty close

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Dave Cunnington19/02/2018 10:28:46
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Thanks ES

Mark thanks for that. I'll try t'net for other larger KK model pics as well - and maybe outerzone as well

Rgds DC

Dave Cunnington04/04/2018 10:57:43
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Dare I resurrect this thread to ask if you managed to check with your father if he drew a fuselage plan ?

Rgds DC

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