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Zflyer21/02/2018 21:42:47
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The club I belong to (SCRCAC) is having to relocate due to the route being taken by HS 2.

Something I don't believe we need (that may cause some controversy).

Any other clubs suffering the same fate

Scott Edwards 222/02/2018 07:32:51
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I'm in Aylesbury, our flying site is OK, but HS2 is going through several local facilities including a rifle club and golf club I belong to. It appears that the compensation scheme is based on the previous few years rent. Therefore, landowners are asking for huge rent increases from clubs before the diggers move in.

I'm in favour of infrastructure investment, but this is a 250mph train line, 100 meters wide, with no footpaths across it or level crossings.

Through Aylesbury it's basically going to be like the Berlin Wall, dividing the whole area into two. It's going to be a decade plus of disruption, and doesn't even stop, so is of no benefit to anyone here.

I'm willing to be persuaded this is a good idea, and want to listen, particularly to the voices of people who want to travel on this new line, but where are they? Anyone?



Edited By Scott Edwards 2 on 22/02/2018 07:33:38

Martin McIntosh22/02/2018 08:25:55
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I had heard that SCRCAC, of which I was a member for many years, had lost their fine site and assumed that it was due to encroaching development, not a white elephant.

Guess where I live now? Aylesbury!

Peter Christy22/02/2018 09:02:51
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Before I retired and moved away from the area, I used to live in Chalfont St Peter - just down the road from Aylesbury. The local (and recently built) school has now been closed, as has the access road to it, and is likely to remain so for SEVEN YEARS, according to our former neighbours. This is so they can build a tunnel under the area!

I'm sure there are many infra-structure projects that would benefit far more people on which the money could be spent. HS2 is a vanity project, pure and simple, and of little or no benefit to most voters.

<rant/off>

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Pete

Martin McIntosh22/02/2018 09:21:30
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I think they have started work here at the proposed A41 crossing point just up the road from me.

The obvious route would have been alongside the M40, but of course that was David Cameron`s patch so no chance.

In my opinion they should just abandon the ill thought out thing and divert the funds to developing the hyperloop.

Fancy even thinking of travelling at 250mph on 19th century technology

Don Fry22/02/2018 09:21:31
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I am still waiting to hear an argument as to why a new track, using existing train speeds, and a few minutes slower, is such a bad idea. I'm open to persuasion.

Martyn K22/02/2018 09:21:45
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I live near the Powerhouse of the North - just outside Crewe which is a rail hub and will be a new HS2 hub. I can already get to London by train in about 90 minutes which I think is quite acceptable. I fail to see any benefit of HS2 except to increase the distance of a viable commute to London nearer Manchester. I don't know anyone who is in support of this. The cost of a rail ticket is already expensive and I would imagine will increase substantially with HS2 which will price out the average non business traveller from using the service.

Martyn

 

Edited By Martyn K on 22/02/2018 09:22:58

Martin McIntosh22/02/2018 09:24:01
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It will not even go to Birmingham, you have to change to a local train.

Zflyer22/02/2018 09:25:39
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At SCRCAC we have a four point tarmac runway and separate field for rotary so was quite a neat set up. We have recently found a new field however we may have to move from that to another location, same landowner, so not all bad as we have found somewhere.

Really not sure how we stand with any compensation as I suspect HS 2 wont tell us to leave but we wont fly if people are working on site for obvious safety reasons. That way they could argue we left of our own volition.

I suspect we still have 12 months before any work starts though they have been surveying.

ken anderson.22/02/2018 09:28:55
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considering we are the country that invented the railway-we are now a long way behind most other countries...rolling stock 40 + years old?.... I don't think that we(UK) can afford any sort of new lines etc..... mind you the good old USA has a system that is as old as ours-its falling to bits as well...a couple of years ago up here in the sticks(Northumberland) they had to hire an old Deltc diesel from a private collection to do some freight work...al the rest were broke or not "available"....2018 I hear you say...tch tch...

ken Anderson...ne..1..... transport dept.

Engine Doctor22/02/2018 10:14:23
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At the rate HMG do any work you could well be flying on you site for years to come ! Have they actually started building it yet ?I mean bulldozers on the ground ? They HMG still haven't committed to expanding Heathrow or Gatwick and they have been talking about it for 20 years or so. And now Carrillion have gone bust who is going to build it ! If private company or more likely a foreign government gets involved then start looking for a new site and quick. Hope your club finds a decent site.

Cuban822/02/2018 10:34:16
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I'm steering well clear of the politics, but it seems to me that the willingness to spend other people's money with seemingly very little real accountability is rife in our country. In my home town, a traffic scheme involving a repositioned bus lane and extensive changes to pavements etc has just been completed at considerable cost to the taxpayer. In my view and that of many others, given the responses in our local paper, it's simply a vanity project that ticks certain dubious environmental boxes but will not solve a single local traffic issue and has been rushed through before proper thought and consultation was given to it. This is allied to a hopeless park and ride scheme that very few have need of and goes mainly underused - but of course, it sounds nice to have one and looks good on the council's blurb sheets.

All very nice the new scheme might look with shiny new stone pavements (chewing gum appearing on them already) complete with tree planters and naff flower beds, yet the plague of potholes that we have to contend with goes virtually ignored, mostly unrepaired and are getting worse. No kudos and photo opportunities for the top dogs in dull potholes. Our own little HS2?

Martin Dance 122/02/2018 14:01:39
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I'm not sure that I would worry too much about HS2 if western region electrification is anything to go by. So far the new electric trains can make it as far as Didcot from Paddington, nothing going west towards Cornwall as yet, there are a few poles up as far as Newbury but no wires. The project is years late and very over budget. Many of the new electric trains are run using diesel engines which were retrofitted to them! Personally I think HS2 is a good idea IF they run 180 mph freight trains on the line and passenger fares are the same as the existing standard fares to the north. It just gone dark here as a flock of pigs pass overheadcheeky

Percy Verance22/02/2018 15:18:50
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HS2 certainly won't reach me. I'm in a small rural village in the Southern Lakes. No railway line anywhere near, and just three buses a day. Morning, afternoon and evening. Miss the one you want and you've got a 6 mile walk to the nearest town.......

HS2 has probably come about as a result of many complaints regarding the ongoing constant Southern bias when it comes to spending on transport schemes and other infrastructure. Personally I'm not entirely sure it's going to be the Holy Grail it's been suggested it ought to be. It's over 20 years since I travelled on a train, and that was on the Settle to Carlisle route in order to support it after it's stay of execution.

Edited By Percy Verance on 22/02/2018 15:21:18

Zflyer22/02/2018 16:46:57
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The money could help with the West Coast line and fill in some of the pot holes, as motorbike rider they scare the .... out of me

john stones 122/02/2018 18:22:29
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Will it go over our new Channel bridge ?

Tom Sharp 222/02/2018 18:29:36
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Its not only here, they are busy building high speed systems in the USA.

In the USA passenger trains have not paid their way since 1929, the Wall Street crash. During the 1930's depression the US government built roads and airports to promote employment.

Result when the economy recovered it was much easier to grab a plane or zoom up the motorway.

But all the railway companies still built fancy passenger trains as a vanity project. These projects were subsidized by the freight which has always paid it's way in the US.

In the end, a few years ago, the rail companies gave all their passenger stock to Amtrac, a company formed to run passenger trains over independent company lines. Amtrac is a dismal failure commercially speaking, heavily subsidized by the government.

Don Fry22/02/2018 19:39:17
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But at least, in big countries, you have some distance to cover. They have to compete with the aircraft, ( if you've time to spare then go by air) as the phrase goes. But the UK is tiny. No reason to use high speed, high risk, very expensive, noisy trains. Aircraft are just complicated flying coffins in comparison to a train.

I have never seen a study of noise footprint, speed catastrophe risk, against cost.

Not done, or not published.

But the big engineering bidders are on a fat high protein feeding trough. The subbies doing the job are on old peanuts.

And Gypsy Don predicts, there will be cost over-runs, cor blimy governer, you never stipulated it rained.

Martin McIntosh22/02/2018 19:57:48
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I lived in Texas for 13 months and their rail system was beyond belief. Very few passenger trains and these and the freight ones ran at no more than walking pace. A 30 min. wait was normal at the many level crossings. They also had to sound their bells continuously in urban areas, day and night. Advanced society?

I can see this project becoming another Greenpeace / Newbury bypass with people lying down in front of the bulldozers to stop it.

Oh, and back to model flying, your site may be next.

Glad to hear that Fradley is still going at the moment.

Edited By Martin McIntosh on 22/02/2018 20:00:23

Martin McIntosh22/02/2018 20:09:03
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I expect then that they will have come up with a system to disperse leaves and snow from the line, also to prevent them from buckling due to heat. Wish that the PM could be copied into this thread.

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