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Marc ROCHE06/05/2019 23:00:12
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Back after a break.

I received a new Fan from my seller, but it delivers only 2/3 of power (18A--->27A). I had to send him back again. angry 2crying. I'm crazy to don't fly it.

For my next i would take HTI/FMS Bangood Fan. I see the new exciting Tony Mini-Jets models. When will Phantom be available?

PS:

Glenn, beautiful golden scheme

Jack did you fly your red Mig?

Edited By Marc ROCHE on 06/05/2019 23:00:54

Marc ROCHE06/05/2019 23:17:34
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What kind of glue did you use for mini-jet: wood glue or super glue, or both following the parts?

Tony Nijhuis07/05/2019 12:40:43
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Marc,

Could be your Fan is a 4S version and you are running on 3S lipos....it would account for the low current draw

The new models will be launch one at a time over alternate months in the RCME....so at the moment the Phantom wont be released for a good few months

excuse the pun but stick with Cyano for the construction and may a bit of PVA for the fan former and the joining of the wings

Piers Bowlan07/05/2019 13:14:09
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Hi Tony just received the June RCM&E and on p21 there is a photo of the 'FMS 11 blade fan and 2627 size 4500kv motor', also mentioned in Graham's text on the next page. Correct me if I am wrong but that is the 4S motor and you are using the 5300kv motor in your current 3s LiPo Mig-15/Sabre/Gnat/JP designs? Wouldn't want people to order the wrong motor and suffer disappointing performance crying 2

ps. Keep the designs coming yes

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 07/05/2019 13:23:37

Tony Nijhuis07/05/2019 20:21:22
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It is a 4S version pictured in the Mag and these were going in the Concord

Needless to say if you did pop a 4S 4500kv FMS unit in the jets and put a 4S lipo pack in....you wouldnt be disappointed as that fan can deliver 750g of thrust as opposed to 600g for the 5300kv 3s on a 3S lipo

The only reason I'm suggesting 3S fans is most, if not all electric modellers, will have a 3S 2200...size ish... lipo kick around they can use......keep it cheap!!!!

Mark Elen07/05/2019 20:51:07
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I’ve took a break from the hawk and am about halfway through building the Sabre. Quick question, where are people getting the little pilot from? Tony seems to have a ready supply.... is that something we can get from TND?

I got 2 fans. One for the Sabre and the other for a Phantom.

Cheers

Mark

Tim C07/05/2019 21:11:23
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pilot1.jpgI did one for a fellow modeller, 3d print from Thingiverse, the unfinished one is up for grabs, PM me.

pilot2.jpg

Tim

Tony Nijhuis07/05/2019 22:46:24
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I use the Ultra Parkfly pilots from Hobbyking....only civils but the right size

Glen Lewis07/05/2019 22:52:20
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I cut the head of Animal off a chess piece, seems to be about the right size

woody07/05/2019 23:32:47
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Hi Tony

How is the lightning looking do you have any pictures?

As soon as it is available I will snap one up and a small hawk will be awesome too.

Cheers woody

Christopher Long 108/05/2019 08:27:08
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My Sabre had its maiden on Monday, built using the originally specified AEO unit, and as designed by Tony, it flew like a dream. A fellow club member who has a lot of experience with EDF did the first flight and trimmed it and he said it flew really well with plenty of power in reserve and loved it!
Really pleased with it, but I did have to put in a lot of work on the supplied kit as the wood sizes supplied differed from the plan and the cut slots in the plywood formers! For instance the fuselage square stringers are specified as 4.5mm on the plan and the formers are cut to that size, but the wood supplied was I guess meant to be 3/16th sq (4.76 mm) but was 5mm square (nearly 15% bigger than specified)! The same could be said of the specified 4.5mm sheet which was again 5mm thick. I know a little variation in size is to be expected, but this was the worst I have experienced from a supplied kit. At most I would expect a 5-6% variation especially when it needs to fit into accurate pre-cut formers.

For the pilot I used Real Model Pilots who do a military version which is just about right at 1/16th scale (the Sabre model is about 1/17th).

Despite the problems I am looking forward to building another EDF (this was my first) from Tony.

Tony Nijhuis08/05/2019 15:19:12
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Glad it flew ok Christopher with the AEO set up......The new generation of 11 bladed 50mm fans now available give so much better performance.....still you can try them in your new project!

Woody, The Lightning is still on the building board so no picts yet

Mark Elen09/05/2019 21:01:56
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Thanks for the info Gents.

I decided to buy a couple of pilots from RMP, as I’m getting stocked up for the Phantom at the same time. It’s one of my favourites. Thanks for the offer Tim👍

Heres my progress on the Sabre:

352a1167-b546-46f4-9fdc-f02b197ad693.jpeg

It’s a great ‘quick build’ project.

Cheers

Mark

Marc ROCHE16/06/2019 21:45:25
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I replaced the RcLanders EDF with a bangood FMS.
Effectively this one pushes well, in 3S the Mig keeps on the spot vertically.
Finally, his replacement was not too difficult.

First Mig flight this morning despite the wind. Unfortunately I could not make video.
First flight, the plane was very quick at the fins. Attenuation of the deflections to 60% for the second flight. I will have to retouch the mechanical deflections and the position of the Lipo for the CG.
He is magnificent in flight with his swept wing, and the landing is easy despite the 500gr of mine.

Well done Tony!

Tony Nijhuis17/06/2019 18:55:45
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Glad you got there in the end Marc.....the little FMS fans don't disappoint

Marc ROCHE07/07/2019 15:14:18
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I replace the 3D printing thrust tube by Xray film. I won 20gr in the queue.
(With the heat wave the PLA melted into the car!)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO1K8Pi3c4w&list=PLVwZ7Xc-U3ZKc_wUZdbNgKdGmAsg_ywCL&index=2&t=0s
 
I will make a variant of the mig and cut out the elements to make Mystere IVA.

Edited By Marc ROCHE on 07/07/2019 15:26:30

David Clark 1808/07/2019 23:16:04
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This is my first ever posting. I've been looking at these two jets with keen interest and I can't wait for the phantom to be available. I intend to build the Mig 15 first as a practice so that the phantom hopefully will go without a hitch.

The club's flying site is a disused runway with cropped fields either side. Has anyone put landing gear onto one of these planes and If so how have you done it, or is there a good way of protecting the underside from the very abrasive runway.

As you can probably tell I am a relative newby and would appreciate any help you could give.

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:18:12

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:19:03

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:20:21

Stephen Jones08/07/2019 23:35:45
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Posted by Marc ROCHE on 07/07/2019 15:14:18:
I replace the 3D printing thrust tube by Xray film. I won 20gr in the queue.
(With the heat wave the PLA melted into the car!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO1K8Pi3c4w&list=PLVwZ7Xc-U3ZKc_wUZdbNgKdGmAsg_ywCL&index=2&t=0s
I will make a variant of the mig and cut out the elements to make Mystere IVA.

Edited By Marc ROCHE on 07/07/2019 15:26:30

It sounds as though it has a real jet in their thumbs up.
flies as well as it sounds.
Nice one.
Steve
Marc ROCHE09/07/2019 08:16:22
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I replaced the video, I m not too smart with my post youtube.

https://youtu.be/tZPAQ0TMzOo

 

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Edited By Marc ROCHE on 09/07/2019 08:17:09

Marc ROCHE09/07/2019 08:47:38
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Posted by David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:16:04:

This is my first ever posting. I've been looking at these two jets with keen interest and I can't wait for the phantom to be available. I intend to build the Mig 15 first as a practice so that the phantom hopefully will go without a hitch.

The club's flying site is a disused runway with cropped fields either side. Has anyone put landing gear onto one of these planes and If so how have you done it, or is there a good way of protecting the underside from the very abrasive runway.

As you can probably tell I am a relative newby and would appreciate any help you could give.

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:18:12

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:19:03

Edited By David Clark 18 on 08/07/2019 23:20:21

Can be try aluminium tape under the fuse. This is the solution I had considered before removing it, there's no sweet green grass at home.

Otherwise 2 rails in square balsa glued under the fuse, witch will be replaced by cutting and sanding if they used, a bit like the keel that is glued under the f86 sabre

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