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WMWF Ullswater March 2018

Some pics from the Saturday

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Mike Bell25/03/2018 19:42:50
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This was my first visit to these waterplane events and I would like to say thanks to the organizing team for a very enjoyable day. I managed to get several good flights with my Hangar Monkey with no mishaps which was a relief as this was my first proper go at water planes in over 30 years. There are some pictures below from the Saturday.

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John Lee25/03/2018 22:15:14
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It was my first visit to Ullswater today (Sunday) and can I echo Mike's thanks? It was an excellent day at a super venue with good company. It won't be my last visit. Great work by all the organisers.

Devcon125/03/2018 22:25:19
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Terrific photos, thanks for putting them on....

Percy Verance25/03/2018 22:40:43
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Nice photos there. Its been a good few years since I flew at Ullswater, but it really is a superb site. At the time I flew there you just had to be wary of the masts on the moored boats as you passed close to them on the run in to touchdown.

Nice first pic of the Cub up on the step......yes

And for those who might be wondering. The shore at the far side of the lake is further away than it looks in the pics!

Edited By Percy Verance on 25/03/2018 22:43:11

Romeo Whisky25/03/2018 23:25:08
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Here are some more pix from yesterdayBarbie-bat at ullswater 2.jpgBarbie-bat at ullswater 1.jpgPiper Cub.jpgMacchi Riviera.jpgSpitfire ix on boots 1.jpgSpitfire ix on boots 2.jpg

Alan Gorham_26/03/2018 09:16:57
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Thanks for the pics Mike and Romeo! As you can see we had great conditions and much flying was done.

Next event is 21/22 April. See you there?

Nick Cripps31/03/2018 15:01:00
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A little belated, but here's a selection of my photos from last weekend.

Usual excellent organisation by the WMWF team, especially with arranging the weather which was about the best I have experienced at Ullswater over the 8 or so years I've been attending.

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Nick Cripps31/03/2018 15:04:41
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Hangar Monkey (and Mike) adapted well to waterplane flying - it looked great!

As did Helvellyn in the sunshine...

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Gordon Whitehead 131/03/2018 18:53:32
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I love the photos guys, and although I couldn't ident any model as chainsaw powered, I thought you all might like to read this reader's letter from the Cumberland and Westmorland Herald, which I've copied from a local Cumbrian model club's emergency newsletter issued for info to that club's members (of which I'm one even though I live many miles away).

Cumberland & Westmorland Herald

I'm not passing judgement or making suggestions, but I sure hope that no harm comes to your future flying activites at this beautiful venue.

Gordon

Phil Cooke31/03/2018 19:42:30
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Some superb photos Gents, thanks for sharing - glad your weekend went so superbly well with the conditions you enjoyed!

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator31/03/2018 22:17:39
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Oh dear - there's always one isn't there? I refer of course to Mr Knight in the cutting above. Unfortunately the Mr Knight's of this world sometimes have an affect out of all proportion. Take care chaps - I hope you manage to keep this going, it looks a splendid venue and everyone obviously had a great time - except Mr Knight, but then I suspect he very rarely has a great time and that's part of his problem,....smile

BEB

Alan Gorham_31/03/2018 22:26:12
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The WMWF committee are aware of the complaint above. I would like to think that although the club has been flying from Ullswater for more than 15 years that I'm aware, noise complaints have been rare but that the club is not complacent about such issues.

I would like to make the following observations as an individual and not as a representative of the club (full disclosure: I am the current Secretary).

The complainant has inadvertently pointed out how our activities co-existed with the native wildlife.

Look at the pictures in this thread, I have counted 5 I/C powered models out of the 21 individual models pictured (yes, some are pictured more than once). This is entirely representative of our flying now: the vast majority are electric powered and thus quiet.

Indeed, going back a decade or even 5 years, more (if not all) of the models flown at WMWF events would have been I/C powered, so we can assume some sort of precedent of non-nuisance operation going back that whole time and we can be seen to have reduced the perceived nuisance as well.

The complainant is either very observant or is very conversant with our club rules of maximum 6 models in the air at any time. There were never 6 in the air at any time on Sunday as there were only probably 6 or 7 members actively flying and on Saturday there were no occasions where there were 6 I/C models airborne at once.

I have to say that yes, we do fly within the National Park boundary (just) but that Pooley Bridge and Ullswater in particular are busy places with people visiting, the attendant traffic and also motorbike and classic car enthusiasts using the A592 that runs down Ullswater to run their (noisy) vehicles. How Ullswater can be called the quiet lake in comparison to places such as Wastwater or Buttermere is a stretch of the imagination to say the least.

As you can see, the weather was very kind during our event and this brought many scores of walkers past our event on a public footpath. If there was a genuine concern about noise I would expect there to be more than one complaint. Indeed, all of our meetings are carried out "in plain sight" of the public and without issues. The overwhelming response we get from passers-by is genuine interest and encouragement.

I note that the complainant gives their address as Cliburn. Now, I have been to Cliburn numerous times and I note like other small villages such as Morland and Bolton in the Eden Valley that it is a very small, rural and peaceful place indeed. In fact, it must be very easy to disturb the very real peace of such a place by just ploughing a field or the RAF sending a Typhoon past at 250 feet. I have to wonder if these noises are considered grounds for complaint too?

I would note that the Ullswater lake rangers sailed their launch past our activities during the weekend and have been asked for their input. Our feedback is that they have expressed no concerns.

Obviously I do not know the outcome of the publicity that the letter Gordon had reproduced will generate, but in closing I would just say that we all need to remain vigilant when operating in public. Obviously the club rules have reference to the DoE noise code and actions the club can take with noisy models, but it remains to be seen what the outcome is.

Alan Gorham_31/03/2018 22:27:12
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Just to say thanks Nick for posting your pictures to this thread - some lovely shots there!

Edited By Alan Gorham_ on 31/03/2018 22:27:28

Percy Verance02/04/2018 08:23:48
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BEB

You're quite correct, there is always one. Sadly, that can be all it takes.......

There are those whom would ban all vehicular traffic from the Lake District if they could...... Unfortunately they don't say how the local economy might survive as a result!

One of the issues here is that, as a resident of a small country village Mr. Knight probably has unknowingly developed tolerances to *country* noises. A tractor going through the village towing a rattly old trailer, or someone mowing their lawn with a petrol mower will be fine, as they're doing the *right* thing..............

Alan p.m. sent.......

Edited By Percy Verance on 02/04/2018 09:07:55

Piers Bowlan02/04/2018 09:53:45
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Alan, perhaps someone could write a reply on behalf of the WMWF committee to the Cumberland and Westmoreland Herald to make the points you made so eloquently in your post. I feel that Mr Knight's letter should be challenged if the newspaper agrees to publish a reply. Perhaps this is already in hand.

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 02/04/2018 09:55:27

rcaddict02/04/2018 10:16:17
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I dont think speed boats are banned, its just that there is speed restriction,

Percy Verance02/04/2018 11:09:43
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oldgit

As far as I'm able to ascertain oldgit, only Windermere is able to be used for *power* boats. And of course there is a speed limit.

I'd have thought the regs will allow Lake District Wardens to use an engine powered craft, and also possibly small outboard motors on craft used as tenders will be ok, but I think that's about it.

Edited By Percy Verance on 02/04/2018 11:10:39

rcaddict02/04/2018 11:27:42
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percy

found this

**LINK**

and this

https://www.lakelandboathire.co.uk/our-boats

 

i certainly seen powered craft when i was there

Edited By oldgit on 02/04/2018 11:32:30

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