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Erfolg17/05/2018 11:02:51
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Whilst painting My Coverite Gee Bee D4 kit, which is taking me a long time and pretty much unsucessful. The difficulty me being rubbish with both Coverite and open structure frame work. I decided to do something else, as an addition, I have been most undecided. one minute doig one thing, then another, eventually deciding to build a kit I had.

I have put off building this kit in the past due to it having foam cored wings. It was a surprise that on examination to find no such items in the box.

The kit is some +10 years old, a very early laser cut kit, which shows up in that the cutting is great. What has not been grasped, was the self aligning interlocking nature of later kits and the ARTF models. This results in you needing to keep things aligned by CL and other guides. Al;though the instructions suggest that this is not necessary.

There are both a set of instruction sheets with photos and a very good plan.

Si it is eins, zvei, drie and loss!

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Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator17/05/2018 11:56:47
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The Giles 202 is a very pretty little aerobat Erf - should make a nice model. I'm not familar with the kit, what size is it?

BEB

Erfolg18/05/2018 20:29:01
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BEB it is 48" span.

Yesterday I had some problems with the pictures.

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The finger jointing is not so precise that you can just insert the pieces and glue them, and the result being true.

I have been using a number of methods to achieve alignment from straight edges, paper to obtain 90 degrees.

The same is true of the formers and side pieces, which is the stage which I have now reached.

Progress will now slow dramatically as being pre-electric flight, on any significant scale, it is designed for IC. That is no easy access to load and unload Lipos etc. I am starting to design a hatch which I have seen on a number of Extra type big IC and electric models.

 

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Erfolg23/05/2018 11:20:54
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So far the model has gone together remarkably fast. Everything is spot on, no adjustments have had to be made.

I have just copied the canopy access as used on many similar models.

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I now need to order a motor and a few other things.

In the meantime i will start on the wings.

Erfolg24/05/2018 18:15:44
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Just started on the wing.

The spars are balsa, in the past I would have replaced them for spruce items, now, it is a pain, having to travel, or to order them via the internet. So they say as they are.

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Adrian Smith 124/05/2018 19:14:52
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Very interesting build Erfolg. Watching with interest. I used to have a larger ARTF Giles 202 by Flair/CMPRO and loved it to bits - literally! Anyway nice to see a really detailed build. thumbs up

Erfolg30/05/2018 21:41:58
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Just a few pictures as to where I am now up to.

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I am pretty impressed, in many aspects of the kit.

The first is that all the parts fit and appear to be correct.

The second the tabbing system for the wings keeps the wing pretty much spot on. In the past with kits, I have needed to do quite a bit of work to get things aligned, level and so on.

Wilth this kit, it does appear to be all that kits of the past and some recent ones have promised, but never delivered. It really just goes together so far.

I now have a problem, where I hope and hopefully not in vain, that some one comes up with a solution to my longer term problem. This problem is that I intend using a film covering. The full size aircraft was a all composite, so it seems. From recent experience, the thin film i use will not produce a smooth finish over the stringers. I need to cover this area with something to provide a support, that when covered with film, will look as it possibly could be a composite. I not that ARTF models often get over the issue using a very thick film or a plastic sheave over which the film is applied. At worst i will use 1/32" balsa sheet to achieve a similar effect,. Any ideas?

Rich too02/06/2018 06:21:41
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Nice progress yes

Personally, I’m not bothered about scale but the balsa sheet should work fine. What are you using for power ? Please, not electric ! wink

cymaz02/06/2018 06:28:02
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Posted by Rich too on 02/06/2018 06:21:41:

Nice progress yes

Personally, I’m not bothered about scale but the balsa sheet should work fine. What are you using for power ? Please, not electric ! wink

Plans show a glow motor of some sort...you may be in luck. What do you say Erfolg??

Erfolg06/06/2018 17:30:02
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Oh most defiantly electric!

cymaz06/06/2018 18:37:34
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Posted by Erfolg on 06/06/2018 17:30:02:

Oh most defiantly electric!

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Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator08/06/2018 11:08:59
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Spot on decision Erf, who wants a slimy aeroplane?
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Nigel R08/06/2018 12:39:32
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That went together fast!

Looks very nice Erfolg.

What sort of power setup are you going for?

Re: balsa spars, I have never used anything different, with never a problem. On this size model with a full sheeted wing you could probably do away with the spar completely.

Erfolg08/06/2018 18:05:54
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Nigel

You are correct, so far it has gone together fast. Particularly when you consider that I have been in Barcelona for 7 days,

The similar concept Balsacraft FW 190 took much longer.

The one issue with the Lanier kit is that not everything self jigs to a 90 degree angle. Everything else has been spot on. In general there is one part, if one part does the job. Some kits have to many, many old kits seem to skimp on parts. An example is the Sterling kit I built, not enough turtle deck formers or stringers, giving that starved horse look.

I have a few non modeling jobs (that means building) to do, so progress may slow quite a bit. Also the Gee Bee is taking some effort to get near to a colour finish.

Rich too10/06/2018 07:14:16
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Posted by Erfolg on 06/06/2018 17:30:02:

Oh most defiantly electric!

crying

Erfolg20/06/2018 22:18:19
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Thwarted by high wind here in the NW, so no flying today. I have done a little more on the Giles.

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Now this is where it gets boring for me. I have all the big bits done. It is the details, the small items. The final fitting out of stuff.

Erfolg04/07/2018 10:44:30
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All of the major components are now produced. That is the wings, tail group and the body. with the motor in situ.

Now it is all about fitting out all of the time consuming bits and pieces, prior to covering, another major step.

It is at this juncture that I start thinking very seriously about where the Lipo will go, servo location and the routes for the control snakes.

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with the CG marked, I then considered where the Lipo needed to be. Much to my amazement, the model was nose heavy, when the Lipo was placed where I had been planning to locate it. That is in the boxed area where the fuel tank would normally go. Placing the Lipo to obtain a reasonable ballance I found that the Lipo would need to be at the rear of the cabin area.

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Taking the top of it is apparent how shallow the area is here, Also that my old standard servos Futaba S100 & 128 are to tall. This indicates that much shallower servos will be needed. I have considered putting them in the space just forward of where they are presently placed, although the Lipo would need to go further back. Plus there is an issue with respect to the ease of making adjustments and maintenance

 

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Bob Cotsford04/07/2018 11:33:47
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It sounds like a good reason to put the servos under the tailplane Erf. Ideally a pair of mini or mg micro ones.

Erfolg04/07/2018 17:08:21
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I think you are correct Bob.

More often than not these days I prefer rear mounted servos. Primarily as the a short push rod can be used.

Perhaps my other preference these days is to use the old model Futaba servos, they may not have the muscle of many modern servos. When I am flying, it is not the servos, that betray a poor flight, it is not even the Tx.

Erfolg07/08/2018 20:34:55
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It is some time since i have undertaken any work on the model. What with all the excellent weather, which has necessitated maintenance on the models being flown, there is no time to build. Thank God there has been no rain, as I would have had to garden, which would have meant.........

Anyway, I have mounted two 9g servos at the back, undertaken a small number of alterations, and nothing seems to have changed? Hmm, how can this be, I just do not get it.

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I am now pretty confident that the Lipo will be mounted in the region of the CG. Which is very good news from an inertia view point. Although not at all expected. This is with all the big masses other than the prop insitu.

I am now thinking about how to finish.

At one time this would have been a pretty big model for this ancient electric glider guider, although tiny from a glider perspective. I just do not want to push the weight up. On that basis i may stop short of trying to get that GRP effect that the full size had, being a composite body.

I am not sure what to do other than re-enforce the central area as it is structurally lacking, The other thing is to install the wing servos, the cables being in there already.

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