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GONZO30/05/2018 11:15:29
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Wasn't going to come back but thought people should know this.

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Note that the height restriction( 400FT ) FOR ALL comes into force TODAY 30/5/18 and that it mentions that drones and owners will need to be registered. All fully in force by the 30/11/2018. Fines of up to £1,000 if you fail to register.

Martin Harris30/05/2018 11:25:35
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Hopefully this is a slight over-reaction?  It does state: For model aircraft flying associations who have a long-standing safety culture, work is underway with the CAA to make sure drone regulations do not impact their activity.

Interestingly, reference to the CAA website shows that they recognize the differences between bona fide model aircraft and drones - although quite how they propose to manage the middle ground is beyond my comprehension. There are distinct references to regulations pertaining to drones and different ones for model aircraft.

Edited By Martin Harris on 30/05/2018 11:34:18

GONZO30/05/2018 11:28:25
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It may be underway, but until it is agreed then what has been stated in the document is the law.

Jon - Laser Engines30/05/2018 11:29:48
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400ft and 1km of an airfield? seems like common sense anyway. Most of my models are over 7kg so are limited to 400ft as it is.

GONZO30/05/2018 11:31:21
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400ft is not so good if you are into thermal or slope gliding.

Robert Cracknell30/05/2018 11:38:59
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Why does it cost $1500 (dollars) to inspect a wind turbine? Do we do this exclusively in USA territories or is this just our good old UK government plagiarising someone else's documents?

PatMc30/05/2018 11:43:17
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I don't normaly cut the motor on my E-gliders until either 200mtrs (656ft) or 30secs the start thermal hunting.
For me 400 ft restriction when slope soaring wouldn't cause a problem as most is done between -30ft & about 250ft wrt the launch point which is about 60ft asl.

kc30/05/2018 12:01:54
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Well the BBC website puts it like this " UK drone users may have to pass online safety tests under legislation being introduced to the Commons on Wednesday." which makes it seem it that it's not the law yet.

David Elam30/05/2018 12:02:53
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The question regarding slope flying would be where the 400' ceiling applies. Is it from the launch point or from the point out over the slope? If the latter then you could find yourself in breach of the law immediately upon launching the model.

If I'm flying from a 400' high slope and launch out over it then would I be breaking the law?

Surely if someone was flying a thermal soarer from the land in front of the slope and he was flying at 400' then he WOULD be in breach of the regulations.

Clarification and detail is needed here.

David P Williams30/05/2018 12:07:46
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The BBC Website also unhelpfully states that

"There were 89 accidents involving aircraft and drones in the UK in 2017 - a 25% increase on the previous year."

Surely they mean "incidents" don't they?

Martin Harris30/05/2018 12:20:56
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It's a very muddled message and doesn't appear to have come directly from the CAA, who are at pains to make distinctions between model aircraft and drones on their website, while existing regulations apply to SUAs...

I can see no new announcements referring to any changes in legislation on the CAA site, which still mentions that the 400' limit applies to models over 7kg outside controlled airspace. If there was such a draconian change, wouldn't the CAA have ensured that the BMFA/SAA were made fully aware and communicate such changes to their memberships?

I've just noticed that the linked article states that the new laws come into force on 30/7/18 so we have a couple of months to clarify any new height restrictions and may explain why there is no update on the CAA site.

Edited By Martin Harris on 30/05/2018 12:25:29

Dickw30/05/2018 12:29:20
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Posted by GONZO on 30/05/2018 11:15:29:

Wasn't going to come back but thought people should know this.

**LINK**

Note that the height restriction( 400FT ) FOR ALL comes into force TODAY 30/5/18 and that it mentions that drones and owners will need to be registered. All fully in force by the 30/11/2018. Fines of up to £1,000 if you fail to register.

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“New laws being introduced today (30 May 2018) will restrict all drones from flying above 400 feet and within 1 kilometre of airport boundaries. ……………………….The changes will come into effect on 30 July 2018.”

No need to panic (or fly low) just yet - plenty of time for clarification,

Dick

Robert Cracknell30/05/2018 12:35:34
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It's one thing to draft and introduce legislation but enforcement however is another thing. We currently do not have enough officers on the beat to deal with everyday petty crime and vandalism which goes on locally let alone on remote sites on hillsides and in the country.

Are we to see 'Drone Police' sitting in unmarked cars near all our flying fields or will the village bobby be tasked with cycling up to sites to check up on us. How will he be able to determine 400 feet altitude we ask?

Maybe we will see the formation of a specialist police unit alongside those that deal with anti terrorism, paedophiles and internet crime. If they are wanting to monitor every flying site in the UK then it will be a big, and very expensive, force indeed.

Or is it the case, like much of the existing legislation, we will be expected to comply like sheep. The people most likely to transgress will not be those that are responsible members of clubs anyway.

alan p30/05/2018 12:49:42
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Everyone was aware of forth coming legislation. Wasn't aware gliders or fixed wing will be classified as "DRONES".though they are covered in the Air Navigation Act with restrictions.

Drones are being added due to a small cadre of idiots.

The BBC tends to look for headlines to justify the licence fee, and not always accurately reported, especially things aeronautical.

David Mellor30/05/2018 13:09:11
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Posted by David Elam on 30/05/2018 12:02:53:

The question regarding slope flying would be where the 400' ceiling applies. Is it from the launch point or from the point out over the slope? If the latter then you could find yourself in breach of the law immediately upon launching the model.

If I'm flying from a 400' high slope and launch out over it then would I be breaking the law?

Surely if someone was flying a thermal soarer from the land in front of the slope and he was flying at 400' then he WOULD be in breach of the regulations.

Clarification and detail is needed here.

I've raised this point before.

The 400 foot limit appears to be an AGL (Above Ground Level) altitude.

The issue is the word "level" when applied to the term "slope".

David Elam30/05/2018 13:23:45
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Clarification here.

https://twitter.com/UK_CAA/status/1001785839217795073

Paul C.30/05/2018 13:26:39
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It's not often that the BBC will worry about facts getting in the way of 'good story' , hopefully we will get some facts from the BMFA and CAA in clear language that we can all relate too. Drones are not going to go away and some control is clearly required I just hope that it is sensible and not an ill considered knee jerk reaction.

Paul.

GONZO30/05/2018 13:42:38
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Determination of height can be done by using a laser range finder with 'slant distance' conversion knowing the angle from vertical. **LINK**

Edited By GONZO on 30/05/2018 13:50:15

GONZO30/05/2018 14:02:52
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The term 'level' in the AGL Above Ground Level does not imply any relationship to the horizontal, rather it is used as a datum point.

Ikura30/05/2018 14:10:02
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The article is no longer on the BBC website front page. So much for the big scoop. The BBC are just as sensationalist as the rest of the media.

My take on it is that it's a poor news day so the BBC have to drag up old news and make someting up out of very little.

Edited By Ikura on 30/05/2018 14:12:03

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