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Steve J16/06/2018 17:14:38
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Posted by MattyB on 16/06/2018 16:47:44:
but the most likely implementation is an online multi choice test regard the revised ANO.

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"(a) the practical operation of small unmanned aircraft;

(b) matters connected with the operation of small unmanned aircraft (such as respect for privacy, data protection, safety, security and environmental protection)."

Something to look forward to for the next 16 months .

Steve

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator16/06/2018 17:44:29
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Posted by MattyB on 16/06/2018 16:47:44:
Posted by fly boy3 on 16/06/2018 15:59:02:

Not having read all these posts, could you explain to an OAP what an on lne competence test will be. Thanks

Nobody really knows at this point, but the most likely implementation is an online multi choice test regard the revised ANO.

I feel we should and will aim higher than this. For those operating under the excemption we should lobby CAA for BMFA (or equivalent) membership satisfies registration and possession of an A-cert satisfies the test requirements. So simply joining BMFA etc would be not be enough - makes it better for us and removes a loop hole for CAA. Everyone wins.

Interestingly the "doom and gloom" brigade, including the one that described those who expressed hopeful positive expectations about the outcome of this as "naive optimists", have gone very quiet haven't they? wink 2 Maybe the "optimists" weren't quite so naive after all eh?

We have a way to go yet as some have said, but let's not launch another "doom-fest"; instead let's celebrate this significant outbreak of understanding and common sense. The remaining issues are for the future and I think are fully solvable given the understanding and good will that exists - for now enjoy your flying unfetted by 400ft limits thanks to the work of our associations and the good sense of the CAA

BEB

 

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Devcon116/06/2018 18:18:20
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BEB, that sounds very sensible.

Once these exemptions come into being I also imagined a rush of people wanting to join approved organisations but then I suspect the reality is that those that operate outside any rules/regulations always will.

Lets hope lawful enforcement will deal with them.

Guvnor16/06/2018 18:37:55
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Thing is...

It's all kicking off on the drone Facebook groups...

The drone brigade all now think that if they join the BMFA they are exempt from the Dronecode 400 foot rule. How has the associations defined 'Model Aircraft' and 'Drone'...?!

john stones 116/06/2018 18:56:42
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Dunno what/who the drone brigade are, but we take multi rotor flyers as members at our club, no problems to report, they seem just like us, follow the laws/rules, go fly.

Biggles' Elder Brother - Moderator16/06/2018 18:57:27
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Posted by Guvnor on 16/06/2018 18:37:55:

Thing is...

It's all kicking off on the drone Facebook groups...

The drone brigade all now think that if they join the BMFA they are exempt from the Dronecode 400 foot rule. How has the associations defined 'Model Aircraft' and 'Drone'...?!

It is not at all clear that simply joining BMFA (et al) would be enough, that would be the loop hole I'm talking about. I'm sure the Associations and CAA/DfT have discussed this and have a solution that means you can't just join and gain excemption without any govenance and accountability structure around you. The Agencies won't allow that as it would undermine everything they are trying to do.

BEB

Dave Rose16/06/2018 23:21:44
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Well BEB, no it maybe isn't "all that clear". Maybe as Marty says the devil is in the detail. I hope not, and that simply being a member of BMFA will allow such members to fly their model planes ( as opposed to drones)on flying fields, slopes and fields much as they do already.

But you having a dig at the "doom and gloom brigade" seems a little unfair ( to put it politely ) after all, they were merely saying that if the status quo remains then come August there would be a big problem.

Now this latest statement seems to calm all those fears. And things will stay as they are.. Good.

But then we find you don't want that. You now want every B MFA member to be an A certificate holder ( or presumably they will become law breakers if they stay as they are.). I know many BMFA members, some members of Clubs, some not, who are not A cert holders, and do not wish to be. ( particularly glider pilots), but you would impose your requirements upon them. Even though the "good news" statement isn't going there at all.?

So much for wishing to keep things as they are, as much as possible.

Rich too17/06/2018 06:35:33
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I’ve been flying for 40 years without any sort of certificate and I don’t intend to get one now.

Cuban817/06/2018 07:21:53
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Rich, I'm curious as to why you wouldn't consider taking your 'A' cert. Any particular objection?
Percy Verance17/06/2018 07:24:09
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It'll be interesting to see how any new upcoming legislation leaves those whom have no connection with any club or model flying organisation. There are supposedly thousands of model flyers in such a position, indeed I have met several myself. Of course it may well be that some will simply carry on regardless, just doing their own thing wherever it is they normally do it.

I left the BMFA last year, giving up my Examiner status - which I'd held for 25 years - with it. I've more or less turned my back on the *club* scene now, and simply fly with a handful of friends in a field we rent close to my village. It's worked wonderfully well for us for the last couple of years. And yes, we all fly with insurance.......There are at least a couple more small groups in my area whom also follow this format.

C8, there's a chap I know who has been been building and flying models since the 50's. His main interest these days is gliding and slope soaring, although he does dabble into powered flight. He doesn't hold any certification whatsoever either, and doesn't feel why he needs to. For him I think it's pretty much a matter of principal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Steve J17/06/2018 07:40:23
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Posted by Rich too on 17/06/2018 06:35:33:

I’ve been flying for 40 years without any sort of certificate and I don’t intend to get one now.

That is your decision, but it does mean that you will not be able to fly legally from December 2019 onwards.

Steve

Rich too17/06/2018 07:40:36
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I agree, it’s not been necessary for 40 years so why should I start now.

Rich too17/06/2018 07:41:18
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Posted by Steve J on 17/06/2018 07:40:23:
Posted by Rich too on 17/06/2018 06:35:33:

I’ve been flying for 40 years without any sort of certificate and I don’t intend to get one now.

That is your decision, but it does mean that you will not be able to fly legally from December 2019 onwards.

Steve

That’s not yet true?

Percy Verance17/06/2018 07:51:50
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And presumably that may mean there could be issues regarding insurance in the event of an incident?

One wonders if the insurers may eventually require proof of certification before issuing documents? 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 17/06/2018 07:58:15

Steve J17/06/2018 07:57:59
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Posted by Rich too on 17/06/2018 07:41:18:
Posted by Steve J on 17/06/2018 07:40:23:
That is your decision, but it does mean that you will not be able to fly legally from December 2019 onwards.

That’s not yet true?

AN(A)O 2018 says that you will need an "acknowledgement of competency" from the 30th November 2019.

Steve

Levanter17/06/2018 07:59:30
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Good advice from a barrister some time ago:
"Sticking doggedly to principles rarely brings the best outcome"

Levanter

Percy Verance17/06/2018 08:01:49
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Mmm. However you read it, that's an "A" cert or above...........

As a former BMFA Examiner Rich, I'd simply suggest you take your "A". You certainly won't find it difficult.

Edited By Percy Verance on 17/06/2018 08:04:27

Rich too17/06/2018 08:03:27
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Posted by Steve J on 17/06/2018 07:57:59:
Posted by Rich too on 17/06/2018 07:41:18:
Posted by Steve J on 17/06/2018 07:40:23:
That is your decision, but it does mean that you will not be able to fly legally from December 2019 onwards.

That’s not yet true?

AN(A)O 2018 says that you will need an "acknowledgement of competency" from the 30th November 2019.

Steve

Yes, and I think we’ve established that we don’t know what that is going to be. Unless you know otherwise.

Rich too17/06/2018 08:04:26
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Posted by Percy Verance on 17/06/2018 08:01:49:

Mmm. However you read it, that's an "A" cert or above...........

As a former BMFA Examiner Rich, I'd simply suggest you take your "A". It certainly won't be difficult.

I’ll wait until the speculating is over.

Rich too17/06/2018 08:05:33
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Are we going to have new test centres?

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