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Wilco Wingco24/06/2018 19:34:13
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I agree Jon the flying was great, but not enough hellies. How about warbird combat with streamers a la Combat control line?. Lots of smoke and excitement. Could be real time or a sort of aerial ballet rehearsed. With all the WW1 and WW2 fighters it could be quite a crowd puller. Who would know if it was rehearsed or not and the "potential" mid air would be an added pull???. Still managed to get some Laser 5 for £15.50.

Jon - Laser Engines24/06/2018 20:03:52
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4 heli slots had to be cancelled as the pilots booked in for those slots didn't turn up to the show.

The streamer combat is an interesting idea and while the spectators would love a mid air the pilots might not! we are also on an active full size airfield and cannot be shedding debris everywhere. In fact late Saturday the live nature of the airfield was made very apparent when we had to get all aircraft down and clear the runway as a full size emergency aircraft was en route after his cowling detached and smashed his windscreen. Happily he was able to land safely and the show resumed.

Tom Sharp 224/06/2018 20:33:31
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A genuine full size emergency landing, now that would be worth the entrance fee alone.

Wilco Wingco24/06/2018 21:06:44
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I'm not suggesting that mid airs be in the plan?. Rehearsals and "potential" would be the name of the game. With all the experience and skill of the pilots involved if the streamers were long enough then these could be avoided. Just lots of oohs and ahhrrs, you should have heard the sharp intake of breath when there was a near mid air on Saturday.

There could even be rounds say two in the morning and two in the afternoon sessions on the first day followed by knock outs, like control line, with the "winning" pilot being presented with the "prize" at the end of the last session in the afternoon of the second day. Should keep the punters there till the end and who knows may encourage others to camp over and be there on the second day???.

More income and fun for all?.idea

Ron Gray24/06/2018 23:00:26
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Hey Jon, I heard the petrol Laser, what a lovely sound! Still happy waiting!

cymaz24/06/2018 23:27:39
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The Spitfire and Mustang were brilliant...

cymaz25/06/2018 06:30:08
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If anybody can pass the message on, I would like to say a big “ thank you “ to all who organised and helped in the event. A great event and superb weather. Here’s to next year

Trevor Crook25/06/2018 07:14:23
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I went yesterday. The show seems to get smaller every year, although the flying was fairly varied. Trouble was, most of the time I had no idea what I was watching as the commentary was so useless. Some of this could be down to no information being passed to Nik, perhaps Jon has an insight on this. We should be told what each model is, who is flying it, what the power system is, how big it is and whether it is available to buy.

Andy C25/06/2018 07:50:20
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Had a great day on Saturday. Family even enjoyed it. I must admit I didn't have a problem with the commentary. I also didn't have a problem with what was being flown. If I want to see planes I can afford to fly I can go the my local club field.

Only real improvements I think could be:

1. More exciting flying such as fireworks for the warbirds similar to Southern Model Show

2. A bit more unusual stuff such as the fast voodoo.

3. A display team of 2 or more planes flying close together

4. better toilets (cabin as opposed to individual portaloo style units)

Would also be nice to see more traders offering better prices, but I guess the availability of online prices means we have that all the time now days. Not sure if pitch prices also contributes but I did hear one trader reference the price he paid meaning he has a lot of work to do to make it back.

Cuban825/06/2018 07:55:33
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Posted by Trevor Crook on 25/06/2018 07:14:23:

I went yesterday. The show seems to get smaller every year, although the flying was fairly varied. Trouble was, most of the time I had no idea what I was watching as the commentary was so useless. Some of this could be down to no information being passed to Nik, perhaps Jon has an insight on this. We should be told what each model is, who is flying it, what the power system is, how big it is and whether it is available to buy.

I don't think that the commentary was useless, that's a bit harsh, but Nik does need to address matters of style and volume. Yes, lack of details of the models and a few errors here and there were evident and if Nik can just tone it down a bit by talking to his audience and not at them, he'll widen his appeal and do much better.

The flying and entertainment side does need pepping up a bit, and whilst the constraints of being on a live airfield do limit some things, a lot could be done.

Some suggestions include - a full size aerobatic display as W&W used to have and then a model performing a similar routine - guess the height competition - predict the number of spins performed by a suitable model - model rocketry - limbo - more 'wheels' content, classic cars , motorcycles, military vehicles perhaps? - set pieces in the way of a ground attack on a mock airfield with pyros - aerobatic gliders, either self launching or aerotow - foreign modellers with unusual aircraft. Nothing that hasn't been done before but does give proceedings a bit of variety. If it means having to pay a bit more in the way of entrance fee, I don't mind.

I think that we all echo Cymaz's comments above, we want the event to continue to grow and be profitable for the organisers and traders - don't let it fade away.

Edited By Cuban8 on 25/06/2018 08:08:26

ChrisB25/06/2018 08:18:29
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Nic Johnson s a heli man and is used to commentating at the likes of Heli fest and has branched out into fixed wing. Last week at Weston he referred to an aerobatic model as having a 3m Diameter wingspan. Its not great when a commentator can't get the very basics right.

Tim Harris 125/06/2018 09:17:10
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I was there on Saturday and also enjoyed it a lot . I also met many friends and club members. It’s a bit of a shame the commentator got some of the models wrong as said I’m sure that could be fixed with a bit more preparation. It’s nice to hear what’s powering them and what kit etc. All the flying was very good , and I certainly also enjoyed Dick Dastardly’s new plane too! My overall impression was very good . Much better than the last three years. There were a few new traders there too such as an engineering tools stand. The number of traders there was very good and I spent a fair bit of money . I also bagged a wonderful bargain. A lovely CS Cirrus 2.65m glider receiver ready for just £80. I’m looking forward to towing it up with my Wots Wot XL.😊.

I will go again next year. It’s well worth it for me even if only to browse and buy from the large number of traders in one place. It’s like an RC department store! The value is that it’s so useful being able to see and compare products physically rather than having to rely on internet photos. With so few local model shops that’s important.

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Edited By Timothy Harris 1 on 25/06/2018 09:19:10

bert baker25/06/2018 09:49:53
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If all who moan could book themselves in for next year,,

It could well be the best show ever,

Jon - Laser Engines25/06/2018 10:03:38
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Trevor, Nik relies (too heavily in my opinion) on an electronic form online for all his aircraft info sheets. For reasons we cant quite fathom, only about 2% of the pilots received the link to this via email in advance of the show so we were all frantically writing out paper sheets on the satruday morning.

The problem was i had 3 models in 12 slots and only one sheet of paper to try and give all of the required information. Needless to say it didnt work. I suggested on the saturday evening that he update his web form to include a small thumbnail picture of the model being described as this would aid identification as its obvious he is not an aviation enthusiast in the truest sense. One form could then be submitted per model. Indeed the form could even include a link to the wikipedia page relating to a scale aircraft so that all he has to do is read some blurb from there. I wouldnt have an issue with that, i dont expect everyone to have a familiarity with historical aircraft sufficient to tell people the engine it had, what it did etc.

Cuban i like your suggestions but some, like the attack sequence, i think would be out of the question due to the live nature of the airfield. This is due to FOD and the fire risk. Remember that in the post Shoreham airshow world things are not as they once were and this also has an impact on the full size display potential and would make the show much more expensive to run.

All that said, send your ideas to the organisers, let them know what you liked and what you want to see. Personally i would like to see the little steam train given a longer track to run up and down as the kids would love it and they could put a wagon on the back so i dont have to carry my newest purchase back to the carpark! Im sure anyone with anything heavy will gladly pay a quid not to have to carry it

Jon - Laser Engines25/06/2018 10:04:18
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Posted by ChrisB on 25/06/2018 08:18:29:

Nic Johnson s a heli man and is used to commentating at the likes of Heli fest and has branched out into fixed wing. Last week at Weston he referred to an aerobatic model as having a 3m Diameter wingspan. Its not great when a commentator can't get the very basics right.

I suppose it does if its in a flat spin

Cuban825/06/2018 10:35:52
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Re an attack sequence...........I agree that blowing up and setting fire to some mocked up wooden buildings on a dramatic scale as we've seen in the past probably wouldn't go down too well with the airfield owners, but I'd have thought you'd get away with a few thunder flashes and smoke canisters .

The 'Shoreham effect' is an ever present consideration, but I know that there are quite a few small concerns that are in the business of providing an aerobatics display to various public events, weddings, birthdays etc - in fact my club had a recent talk from an Essex based pilot about his business and the Yak 52 aeroplane that he uses. It's a difficult one to get right - stay as you are and risk diminishing returns, or charge more to cover the costs but attract more punters with new attractions.

I wonder how many non-modellers attended over the weekend? - I don't live very local to North Weald so I'm unaware of any publicity in Harlow or round about.

Gary Murphy 125/06/2018 11:02:53
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2 points only for me.

1. Toilets are bad, worse if you are with a female. All good events now have cabins, with running water at times!

2. DB Sound (Dave Bishop) That was commentary ,and his bloopers were excellent .

Martin Harris25/06/2018 11:29:56
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Ah yes, DB...

Laugh with him, chuckle at his occasional errors and cringe at some of the less "politically correct" comments but I've always thought that he was the voice of UK model shows. There has certainly been something missing at the shows I've been to where he wasn't commentating - it's a rare skill to be able to inform and entertain for hours on end but maybe Nic will grow into the role - he seems to have plenty of enthusiasm and once he has been able to gauge his new audience may well become the new DB - but it's a massive void to fill!

Edited By Martin Harris on 25/06/2018 11:30:51

Cuban825/06/2018 12:09:49
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A couple of years ago at an Old Warden modelling event, my wife and I were taking an evening stroll and we passed DB's caravan where he was chatting to some friends. We nodded a hello to him and although he never knew us, he beckoned us over and invited us to join him. What a fascinating half hour or so of anecdotes and aviation stories we were treated to - the man is a walking encyclopedia of aviation trivia and knowledge, both modelling and full size. A real gent.

kc25/06/2018 16:19:15
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The worst thing about the Sunday commentary was the continuous mention of the football score - if you were interested in the game you might want to record it and watch it without hearing the result first and surely that's the sort of thing that stops you going to a show next year! Lowers the numbers attending W& W.

If you were not interested it was annoying to say the least. of course anyone really interested would have watched the game in the refreshment tent.

Actually I have no interest in football so it was merely annoying but if he had blurted out the result of the F1 GP then I would have been furious. Sort of thing that would stop me attending a show.

So stick to commentary on the planes and cut out the waffle and mention of other sports!

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