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First Balsa Build Ben Buckle Taylorcraft 48 or Mini Super 60 or a piper cub?

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Thomas Gooderham27/09/2018 12:46:15
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So have now narrowed down my choice now , Want to go with building up a plane as a second trainer (and not too expensive), so want something 48inch wingspan sized, Electric and as a Kit... Was hoping to find a Piper Cub (but can't seem to find one right size), So have got my eye on either Taylor craft 48inch or the mini super 60...

Can someone tell me what each is like to fly/build? also which would be better?

Denis Watkins27/09/2018 13:25:26
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The mini super 60, is more of a trainer Thomas, as it was designed for stability and succeeds there.

The Taylorcraft, if anywhere scale, is more "intermediate" and a tad more tricky, as a Cub would be.

All these high wingers are stable, but in order of novice flying I would place them

Mini Super 60

Cub

Taylorcraft

Thomas Gooderham27/09/2018 13:32:05
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Hi...

Thanks for the message - So at the mo, I have a tiny 34inch hi wing electric foamie, a bixler 2 (sits around 56inch) and a 64inch highwing cessna.. I am looking for something around the 48inch mark as a step up towards the Cessna.

So my thoughts were that the Mini Super 60 would be a good middle size trainer (but would be limited in what can be done? - good for practicing landings - found the Cessna quite fast - Running 6S battery, as its a heavy plane)

What is tricky with the Taylor craft?

Nigel R27/09/2018 13:37:45
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Of your two choices, I would recommend the Mini Super 60. It will be very easy to fly. It's a long proven trainer design. Balsa builds do not get more traditional than this. It is quite easy to build.

 

If your Cessna is quick then it would likely be a good halfway house between bixler and cessna.

 

edited to remove a question you've already answered.

Edited By Nigel R on 27/09/2018 13:39:46

Thomas Gooderham27/09/2018 13:41:32
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Thank you Nigel - I think that has helped me decide

Peter Miller27/09/2018 13:57:30
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I would agree that the Mini Super is the way to go. The kit is very simple to build and you are learning a new skill.

THat will be enough to worry about for a start (Well, not worry, it is too simple) It will also be easier to repair.

The orginal was a great model. I built one in the 60s or 70s and flew it on single channel radio.

Percy Verance27/09/2018 15:25:52
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I'd give the Piper Cub a miss for now Thomas. The Cub isn't usually deemed suitable as a trainer. Certainly those I've flown over the years could never be used as trainers.

Either the Taylorcraft or Mini Super 60 would be good. If I were wearing your shoes Thomas, I'd go for the Mini Super 60. It may be a slightly less complex build than the Taylorcraft. The S60 is very straightforward to build (and fly), and is consequently easy to repair........

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/09/2018 15:32:56

Jim Carss27/09/2018 15:58:21
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Mini Super is the one, this is mine modified with ailerons and flaps, very stable and easy to fly.

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Thomas Gooderham27/09/2018 16:15:28
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Oo.. Don't suppose you have the details of the wing modification for flaps and ailerons? Because that would be an option I would like to go down eventually - I do like the colour

Jim Carss27/09/2018 16:47:28
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Thomas

Just good luck and guess work,no drawings involved.

I have just refurbished it again, made the ailerons the same width as the flaps as the narrow ailerons did not have much authority.

I have now re-covered it with Solartex,I shall take some pics of the wing tomoz and post them on here for you

Jim.

Jim Carss28/09/2018 09:42:57
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Tom

If you do build the wing with ailerons and flaps you must reduce the dihederal approx.1" max under each tip.

one of our esteemed mods built the modified wing and forgot to reduce the dihederal,he shall remain nameless

smile p

Jim

Dave Hess28/09/2018 10:07:51
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I had a Mini Super as my second plane. I found it to be reasonably aerobatic. It has no ailerons as standard, but there's nothing to stop you fitting some. I didn't use ailerons then. Without them, rolls were pretty easy using the riudder and elevator, but I prefer the control you get with ailerons. I wouldn't describe it as a particularly stable plane. With the power on, it was very lively - not at all like the Super Sixty, though it's fairly docile when you throttle back. IIRC, mine had an OS 15 FP in it. It's a pretty straight-forward plane to build. Everything is standard balsa construction. Mine was the original KielKraft kit. I don't know whether the BB kit has any differences.

Thomas Gooderham28/09/2018 10:11:33
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Hi ..

Thanks for the information - I am going to be having it setup as Electric - so what would the equiv electric power be for OS 15?

Also is there some resource online that details the Aileron wing conversion? - a marked up standard wing for instance?

Anyway today I ordered the Mini super - so should receive it next week - let the fun begin, although can't start it until I have upgraded one of my 3D printers to dual material.

Jim Carss28/09/2018 10:23:12
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Dave

Mine is a tail dragger built from a free plan,don't know which designer!!

The BB plan has trike fixed wheel u/c.

I think Boddo did one also

PatMc28/09/2018 10:35:49
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Jim, it was probably this plan from this mag article .

Jim Carss28/09/2018 10:43:22
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Spot on Pat,so mine is a Boddo design

hope all is well at NE 26

Jim

Piers Bowlan28/09/2018 11:01:04
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Jim, what does your Mini Super weigh, as I can't find what the all up weight should be?

Thomas, regarding an equivalent motor to a 15 IC engine, I suggest this might be an option using a 3s 2200-3000mAh LiPo and prop it to pull about 25-30A, although others might have a more informed suggestion?

Alternatively give George Worley of 4-Max a ring and ask him what he would recommend.

Edited By Piers Bowlan on 28/09/2018 11:05:48

Jim Carss28/09/2018 11:25:47
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Piers

Never did weigh it but later this morning I will put the MK11 version together and see how much it weighs.

MK11 mods ---- Tailplane now on top of fuzz and a full size rudder added.

post pics later.

Jim Carss28/09/2018 11:28:03
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Tom

this is the basic mod for the ailerons and flaps,not much of an artist so I hope it makes sense,feel free to ask Peter Miller any questions. smile p

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Thomas Gooderham28/09/2018 11:33:04
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thanks for the sketch

that does help alot,

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