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Best case scenario I suppose. Half a dozen flights with my Spit just cruising about at scale speed doesn't use anywhere near the performance models of course. Adds weight to the argument, and why so many big quality four stroke glows are available second hand, for not a lot of money.
I really don't think the cost of fuel is the main factor, it's just the inconvenience and availability of buying glow fuel in relatively large quantities, and very often being limited to getting it at the shows or paying extra for having it couriered. Just the impression that I'm getting from others.
Edited By Cuban8 on 13/10/2018 10:14:33
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Don Fry, i have messaged you,
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3 flights on my Flair Stearman with a Laser 300v using a 24oz tank will clear over 1/3 of a gallon. Do I care about the cost of glow fuel? Nope, not in the slightest, it’s a hobby and I’m more than happy to pay for fuel to get a good quality, nice sounding and reliable engine.
|Percy Verance||13/10/2018 10:54:31|
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You may not care one jot about the cost of glow fuel Chris, but if the general availability of mass market engines continues to dwindle, then actually acquiring glow fuel may become an issue in time.......
Not seeking confrontation here, it's simply a thought.......
Edited By Percy Verance on 13/10/2018 10:56:24
|Dave Hess||13/10/2018 11:08:29|
|303 forum posts|
As more and more people switch over to electric motors, more and more I/C motor manufacturers will find that they're factories are no longer viable. It's the same with cars: The I/C motor is dead. Long live the electric motor.
BTW, if you want to make some money, invest in copper. It will be the new oil.
|Piers Bowlan||13/10/2018 11:25:40|
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Back to the OP.... I just had a look on the JE site and all the 4 STs were in stock as far as I could see and the only 2 STs showing out of stock were the 12, 46-short engine (46 standard, OK) and 91, - perhaps they just had a delivery?
I wouldn't consider the relocation of the factory as necessarily significant, as in the Far East businesses frequently relocate when there is a hike in the rent on their industrial building. Hobby King relocated about five time in the years I used to visit Hong Kong. Most hobby products are produced in batches and the different production runs are often produced in alternative locations.
If ASP cut back their 2 ST production I would not find it at all surprising however, as I find it amazing that they can turn a profit with their very low prices. They have a huge global market, I wouldn't right them off too soon.
p.s. I have just bought my first Laser (80). It is a thing of beauty and great value, so I won't be buying any more ASPs!
|Percy Verance||13/10/2018 11:41:23|
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Welcome to Laser ownership Piers. You will now discover why so many Laser owners rave about them......
They really are in a class of their own.
|Percy Verance||13/10/2018 12:28:27|
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Most folk are too busy earning a living to make any money.......
I'm not sure the i.c. engine is dead yet, but it certainly isn't on the up.......
Edited By Percy Verance on 13/10/2018 12:29:43
|John Stainforth||13/10/2018 19:20:18|
|326 forum posts|
OS 2 strokes are still very popular in the US. What I have noticed in the US is that the cost of glow fuel has shot up in the last couple of months from around 20 dollars a gallon for 15% nitro to around 30 dollars. Locals say they think it is because of Trump's tariffs on China, where nitromethane is made.
|Don Fry||13/10/2018 20:01:36|
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Possibly, there are not many nitro methane plants in the world. I think, don't shoot me if I'm wrong, there are two in Europe. So tariff barriers can effect local prices.
Mind, I would not sleep at night if fuel went from 20 to 30 dollars. That's for me, 100 dollars a year. Going to have to rob a bank.
|john stones 1||13/10/2018 20:49:40|
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Sold all my glows a while ago, it was a pain getting fuel, I miss em especially the 4 strokes, mind I get to fly other peoples, so it ain't all bad.
|Former Member||14/10/2018 00:15:15|
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|nigel newby||14/10/2018 00:38:21|
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At our club the majority still fly I/C motors. Fuel is about £22 to £35 a gallon. It's a a shame I cannot stick my old 50cc Honda engine in a plane, but a high boy might be a =bit nose heavy
|David Davis||14/10/2018 05:36:27|
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My club makes and sells its own glow fuel rather more cheaply than you can buy it in the shops. Custom mixes are available too, but the trend is obvious, electric motors are replacing glows for powering small to medium sized models and petrol engines, available pretty cheaply from China, are replacing glows for powering larger models.
There is an opening in the market for someone who can produce a good fourstroke petrol engine and a well-known British manufacturer is working towards this end! . Those that have been produced so far seem not to have been satisfactory.
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I fly small to medium sized planes and like 2 sts both glow and diesels. Mainly old ones. Reason? I get longer flights on I/Cs and can't be bothered with the attendant faff recharging batteries. Re glow fuel I make my own and diesel too if I can get ether. Much cheaper then bought fuels. Re MDS and Magnum motors. I have both and find that a change of carbs with the equivalent OS and Irvine Carbs. OS for the Magnum and Irvine for the MDS. Works wonders. On top of this my pension does not allow much spare cash.so NEW engines are out My biggest engines are 10 ccs. I feel there are others like me who if I/Cs and fuel stop being available one way or another then we will be forced to drop the hobby. Are American engines cheap? That may be an answer if they are.
|Ron Gray||14/10/2018 07:29:51|
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|David Davis||14/10/2018 07:58:21|
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I'm not fully familiar with the laws of libel or slander Ron so I will desist from naming names but the above statement is based upon the mixed reception which a new Far Eastern manufacturer has had, well documented online, and on the opinion of a club colleague who bought a petrol powered four-stroke produced by a better-known manufacturer which he found to be unsatisfactory. It vibrated too much. Perhaps he just had a bad'un and perhaps the other manufacturer has now improved his quality control in the light of some adverse publicity. I have no intention of buying either product.
The British manufacturer is of course Laser who have produced some prototype fourstroke petrol engines but they are not yet available for sale to the general public. Knowing Laser they will not be releasing the petrol engines until all of the bugs have been ironed out. Once they are available to the general public I will consider buying one as I am very pleased with the Laser glow engines which I have acquired. On the other hand I have considerable stocks of glow fuel to get through first.
However, one of the positive spin-offs from the movement away from glow engines, away from two-stroke glow engines in particular, is that they are available very reasonably on eBay for impecuneous aeromodellers.
Edited By David Davis on 14/10/2018 08:00:19
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|Ron Gray||14/10/2018 09:39:08|
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Sorry DD, I thought that you were implying that engines already produced by the well-known British manufacturer had issues, hence my post!!
|Jon - Laser Engines||14/10/2018 09:57:15|
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I am aware from my us customers that glow fuel is stupidly expensive in the USA. It has to be said though, their penchant for very high nitro content does not help them. As you mention, nitro is one of the most expensive ingredients in glow fuel. The methanol itself is not massively more expensive than petrol, its just the oil and nitro so if you come down to 5% nitro and 10% oil you will probably cut the cost by 50%
That is why i recommend the laser 5 and techpower 5 fuels over here. They are usually 17-20 quid and that really helps keep costs down. The lower oil and nitro content also means a reduced fuel consumption so its win win.
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