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leccyflyer20/10/2018 15:48:41
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Posted by Bob Cotsford on 20/10/2018 13:58:18:

Posted by leccyflyer on 20/10/2018 11:30:52

:......I rarely see a glow-powered model these days, it;s mostly electric or petrol at the fields that I've been at in recent years. ...

I would say that of 4 local clubs one is 99% ic including turbines, one 80%+ ic (mostly glow), one exclusively electric and my club is probably 60-70% glow power. Electric is on the rise, no doubt of that. I would say that many of the electric flyers are older members who don't want the hassle or just plain can't cope with the ic support gear.

I can only speak of my own experience, which is as I have said - there are two or three regular glow flyers in my current club, and 20+ who fly almost exclusively electric.

David Davis20/10/2018 16:04:38
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Posted by Dave Hess on 20/10/2018 15:02:44:

Anyway, the world is changing. There's no need to mourn things from history. You can try to adjust facts to suit your own paradigms if you want, but it's not going to help.

Edited By Dave Hess on 20/10/2018 15:05:01

Ain't that the truth!

The world is certainly changing and the hobby is moribund. Two strokes, four strokes, electric motors, scratch builds, ARTFs, it doesn't matter. The hobby is largely the preserve of older enthusiasts and fewer young people are stepping forward to fill the ranks. They are too busy with other matters. In twenty years time our flying fields will be silent.

Meanwhile there are some damned good second hand two strokes available for next to nothing. yes

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Don Fry20/10/2018 19:09:36
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Dave, I am a glow plug user. I also use electric units. I am better at glow plugs, I have more years in on them. I am more than a little surprised that a glow motor and it's bits, is twice the weight of an equivalent electric set up.

As a slight student of palaeontology, may I point out than dinosaurs live to this day. They are now called birds. Nice fliers.

cymaz20/10/2018 19:14:39
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Posted by Don Fry on 20/10/2018 19:09:36:

Dave, I am a glow plug user. I also use electric units. I am better at glow plugs, I have more years in on them. I am more than a little surprised that a glow motor and it's bits, is twice the weight of an equivalent electric set up.

As a slight student of palaeontology, may I point out than dinosaurs live to this day. They are now called birds. Nice fliers.

Although non-fliers , include on the list , sharks, cyatheales, crocodiles ( related to birds).

Bob Cotsford20/10/2018 19:23:56
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The end results of some of my flying I think 'mole' should be in there somewhere face 1

john stones 120/10/2018 20:04:12
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Aeromodellers, some dinosaurs in there as well, eee when I wor a lad. male

Don Fry20/10/2018 20:17:51
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But way off topic, the birds are dinosaurs, a group once called bird hip dinosaurs. While the crocodile is a reptile, is from a different branch. Sharks a more distant cousins still, and the coalacanth is related to amphibian progenitors.

And the bird hip dinosaurs, as fly today, are fair fliers.

And an electric setup, like for like, is not less than half the weight of a 2 stroke glowplug setup. Or please tell me where I'm wrong, and I will start conversion. I like light, light flies nice.

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Nigel R20/10/2018 20:45:02
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Hmm. Twice the weight doesn't quite match my experience. Especially if you want a decent amount of airtime. At 40 size i only see a couple of oz in it.

Anyhow. However you slice the weight issue, Electric for sure is more convenient for small stuff. I'm not so sure about the big stuff. I think petrol wins there.

The middle ground is shrinking. I do love the simplicity of glows though.

If the petrol can come down to 10cc and get the carbs sorted and drop the weight of the ignition clobber then glow will go completely I think. That will be the 40 size done for.

But I still like glows.

I wouldn't say I'm a dinosaur just yet either. Perhaps a wooly mammoth.
Nigel R20/10/2018 20:45:57
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Just to be clear by petrol wins I mean is more common.
Ace14/12/2018 21:59:58
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So back to the OP.

Is Sanye Manufacturing/Machinery Co making or will be making 2s engines - anyone with any more info ??

Jon - Laser Engines14/12/2018 23:01:20
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Posted by Ace on 14/12/2018 21:59:58:

So back to the OP.

Is Sanye Manufacturing/Machinery Co making or will be making 2s engines - anyone with any more info ??

my understanding is that they are not at the moment although some stock is en route to certain retailers. If what i have heard is true ASP, SC, Magnum and Evolution are all out of production at the moment white sanye sort themselves out

Percy Verance15/12/2018 09:00:13
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Mmm, doesn't bode well for long term spares availability does it?

Looking at - and hearing about - what the situation appears to be at OS and some other Far Eastern model engine manufacturers, you could be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that i.c. model engine production is approaching the Autumn of it's lifetime........

Enya are now seemingly operating on an occasional part-time basis, OS have pared their once mighty engine range to a fraction of what it once was. Irvine are no more. I have not heard anything of the situation regarding MVVS, the Czech manufacturer, although again there were several outlets here in the UK but these seem to have gone too. A shame, as they were really excellent engines, easily as good as any OS, and in production almost as long too....

Can it/will it get back from this? I have no idea.......

The overall situation in the US seems better, with many of their online big hitters still advertising and (presumably?) selling stock, but again I have heard nothing of the present situation there. I get the impression that electric flight isn't quite as popular there as here in Europe?

Sadly and regretably I share the view of Mr Davis above, in that I feel there won't be much happening at all on our flying fields in 20 years time...........

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 15/12/2018 09:19:53

Jon - Laser Engines15/12/2018 09:22:27
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i think a great deal comes down to product relevance. These days a 25 2 stroke is barely worth the box it comes in and yet OS used to shift thousands of the 25fp and similar. Enya were the same with their smaller offerings.

As soon as half of your range becomes irrelevant and wont sell you do have a little bit of a problem, especially if you are a large company with large overheads.

Enya also suffered as they didnt really change anything. The 120R you buy today is more or less identical to the one you bought in the late 80's. Again, times have moved on and while the 120R was a brute these days it needs a better silencer and a more accurate carb. Its a shame as i always rated enya as the best of the Japanese engines and currently have about 5 of them waiting their turn.

Also dont forget that in many cases these companies are owned and run by the people that started them, and once those people get to retirement age its pretty much all over. I know this was at least a contributory factor in the demise of solarfilm.

Its not all doom and gloom though. Kolm, Roto, Valach are just 3 i can think of that have recently (ish) started producing engines but they have gone the route of large/multi cylinder engines for the top end of the market.

From my perspective, all i know for sure is that anything i make is gone within a day. The last batch of 12 engines was wiped out in 26 hours from the moment it went online. I just wish i was about to build them more quickly but currently i cant

Ron Gray15/12/2018 09:29:47
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Kolm, Valach, omg what gorgeous engines, maybe, just maybe one day I will own an in line 3 or 4.

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nigel newby15/12/2018 11:06:02
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A bit like the real ale industry. Big sellers are still around, but it is the small brewer who has more presence in my local. Is it because there are not that many youngsters coming into the hobby? We have the same in amateur radio. In my club at 66 years old I am one of the youngest in my club.

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Jon - Laser Engines15/12/2018 11:45:17
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Posted by nigel newby on 15/12/2018 11:06:02:

A bit like the real ale industry. Big sellers are still around, but it is the small brewer who has more presence in my local. Is it because there are not that many youngsters coming into the hobby? We have the same in amateur radio. In my club at 66 years old I am one of the youngest in my club.

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I have been the youngest regular flyer at all the clubs i have been in since i was about 15. Sure there have been those younger that have dabbled, but they are gone within 2-3 years.

Your 'micro brewery' analogy is a good one and i think it reflects the industry well. Many of the models being build are not from established kit manufacturers and guys like fokkerc are offering something different and this is more interesting. A great deal is community driven online with 3d printable stuff freely available for download. Its an interesting time

Nigel R15/12/2018 15:37:34
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"I have heard nothing of the present situation there."

No different to here really.

OS are still available in 45 to 120 size in two stroke.

Asp were the only other major game in town.

Everything else is dead.

Couple of boutique companies selling two strokes, jett and nova rossi. Not even sure jett are still really in business.

Think that's about it for the us glow two strokes.

The micro brewery analogy is quite apt.

Saito are still selling a lot of fours. Along with os.

Ys for specialist types.

We're very lucky we have jon flying the flag here!

I'd be surprised if asp stop making four stroke glows as well as the two strokes. We shall see.
Percy Verance15/12/2018 15:45:17
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Jon is fortunate in that Laser have no really direct competition. They're niche products aimed at a select group of buyers.

It's interesting to note that each batch Jon places online for sale are gone in a matter of hours. I wonder if there was ever a time when stock levels were plenty? Back in the 90's, when I bought several Lasers, I can't recall waiting all that long?  Of course since the 90's the internet has made it's mark, and some of those sales will be to the 30 odd other countries in which Lasers are now finding a home.......

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 15/12/2018 15:50:02

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