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Stearman6509/11/2018 14:39:07
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Posted by flight1 on 09/11/2018 14:35:32:

YES Graupners channel /set numbering is confusing there new MZ-12 PRO is 12 channels and the older one not pro uses the old way and is only 6 channels , Confusing! but once explained easy enough

So MZ-12 Pro = 12 channels budget and MZ-24 PRO = 12ch very good

MZ-12 = 6 channels

MZ-18 = 9ch

MZ-10 = 5ch

and just to confuse it MZ-32 = 32ch top end set

Edited By flight1 on 09/11/2018 14:36:14

This is the 12 channel receiver, it's not Falcon. If you fancy a fright, watch the video.

**LINK**

supertigrefan09/11/2018 15:31:06
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Posted by Bob Cotsford on 09/11/2018 13:55:01:
Posted by supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 12:47:19:
A 12 Channel Graupner set for ?170. I'm not even thinking of a new Tx but I'm really tempted.

Edited By supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 12:47:59

I think that Graupner still use the old reeds based channel nomenclature of 1 surface = 2 channel as the description of the MZ-12 says that it's 6 channel with 2 optional digital channels - sounds like 6 stick/pot and 2 that can only be switched?

The blurb in the link states Graupner now use the conventional 'channel' system to describe their sets and that this is a full 12 channel set, I get the impression that this is the first set of theirs to follow their 'new' convention.

supertigrefan09/11/2018 15:35:47
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Posted by Martin Harris on 09/11/2018 13:37:30:
Asking the OP'S original question is like asking 300 people whose mum is best! Very few unbiased opinions are available, most experienced users having made their decision based on their own experience and requirements.

You would do best to ignore recommendations and look at those with negative experience, see what people are using locally for both buddy I get and getting help and ideas while bearing in mind your own budget.

I'm a Futaba user from the beginning, never owned any other name Tx yet I recommend Multiplex or Graupner.

PatMc09/11/2018 16:18:51
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Posted by supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 15:35:47:
Posted by Martin Harris on 09/11/2018 13:37:30:
Asking the OP'S original question is like asking 300 people whose mum is best! Very few unbiased opinions are available, most experienced users having made their decision based on their own experience and requirements.

You would do best to ignore recommendations and look at those with negative experience, see what people are using locally for both buddy I get and getting help and ideas while bearing in mind your own budget.

I'm a Futaba user from the beginning, never owned any other name Tx yet I recommend Multiplex or Graupner.

Just curious, why do you recommend Graupner ?

Erfolg09/11/2018 16:26:11
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Eric, I followed the link and was not frightened, more a case of experiencing tachycardia.

Who said that Futaba was expensive?

I guess if you live in the money bags SE, the costs, just a bagatelle. For us dour Northerners, the power house of the UK, with our noses to the grind stone, OMG that is a lot of money.

Given that Graupner most definitely are now owned in the Far East, and I understand that Graupner paid for the development of the HoTT system, how sure can you be that the present owners will keep investing in the Brand?

Stearman6509/11/2018 16:46:36
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Posted by Erfolg on 09/11/2018 16:26:11:

I guess if you live in the money bags SE, the costs, just a bagatelle. For us dour Northerners, the power house of the UK, with our noses to the grind stone, OMG that is a lot of money.

I was thinking along the same lines myself, it would be interesting to poll on a north south split say using Brimingham as the split line. What sets are favourite above & below the line?

 

Edited By Eric Shepherd on 09/11/2018 16:47:01

supertigrefan09/11/2018 17:38:30
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Posted by PatMc on 09/11/2018 16:18:51:
Posted by supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 15:35:47:

I'm a Futaba user from the beginning, never owned any other name Tx yet I recommend Multiplex or Graupner.

Just curious, why do you recommend Graupner ?

Same as for Multiplex......I like their styling, ergonomics, futureproofing & upgradability (is that a word?), quality, features and innovation. I also own a Saab (that should explain a lot) wink

Edited By supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 17:39:50

MattyB09/11/2018 18:15:22
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Posted by Erfolg on 09/11/2018 16:26:11:

Eric, I followed the link and was not frightened, more a case of experiencing tachycardia.

Who said that Futaba was expensive?

I guess if you live in the money bags SE, the costs, just a bagatelle. For us dour Northerners, the power house of the UK, with our noses to the grind stone, OMG that is a lot of money.

Given that Graupner most definitely are now owned in the Far East, and I understand that Graupner paid for the development of the HoTT system, how sure can you be that the present owners will keep investing in the Brand?

I rather like the Graupner sets from a usability and design perspective, an they have good telemetry options too, but that 12ch RX is proof of why FrSky have become so popular. Every X series FrSky RX is telemetry enabled and 16 channel capable via SBUS (yes, even including the tiny minquad RX weiging 1.5g!), and they range in price from ~£18 to the high £30s for the stabilsed/redundancy bus versions. If you want high channel counts and/or have a lot of planes that's very difficult to ignore.

Martin Harris09/11/2018 18:16:29
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Posted by Eric Shepherd on 09/11/2018 16:46:36:
Posted by Erfolg on 09/11/2018 16:26:11:

I guess if you live in the money bags SE, the costs, just a bagatelle. For us dour Northerners, the power house of the UK, with our noses to the grind stone, OMG that is a lot of money.

I was thinking along the same lines myself, it would be interesting to poll on a north south split say using Brimingham as the split line. What sets are favourite above & below the line?

Are you Northerners serious?

By the time we've made our mortgage payments (and rental is fairly proportional) many working people are lucky to afford a large tin of beans - not much spare cash for tripe or barm cakes down here...

 

Average house prices:

Region Average price January 2018 Monthly change % since December 2017
East Midlands £185,568 -0.1
East of England £289,729 -0.7
London £485,830 1.0
North East £122,870 -5.5
North West £155,788 -1.5
South East £323,435 0.2
South West £255,307 1.4
West Midlands £187,905 -2.0
Yorkshire and the Humber £156,484 -0.7

And we've got the M25!

Edited By Martin Harris on 09/11/2018 18:19:41

Engine Doctor09/11/2018 18:35:43
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Posted by Erfolg on 09/11/2018 16:26:11:

Eric, I followed the link and was not frightened, more a case of experiencing tachycardia.

Who said that Futaba was expensive?

I guess if you live in the money bags SE, the costs, just a bagatelle. For us dour Northerners, the power house of the UK, with our noses to the grind stone, OMG that is a lot of money.

Given that Graupner most definitely are now owned in the Far East, and I understand that Graupner paid for the development of the HoTT system, how sure can you be that the present owners will keep investing in the Brand?

Dissapointed Erflog in your assumption that the SE is "a money bags" oh and most of us in the SE do have our noses to the grindstone with many small business struggling. Don't believe all you hear I the media.

Must go ,the chauffeur is having a row with the stable ladwink

Paul Marsh09/11/2018 18:43:29
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In the end, I see what receivers cost, so for comparison, i've looked at a list of different 6/7 channel receivers, most would buy. Would you buy a radio brand with the most expensive receivers? Saying that all the below makes are fit for purpose and all will work with most size of model.

Spektrum AR610 : £39 rrp
Jeti REX6A £105 (only one they make in 6ch)
Futaba 2006GS £34
Futaba 617FASST £70
Multiplex
Rx-7 M-LINK £65
FRsky 6ch telematary SBUS £22
Graupner £52
Tactic 6ch £25
Hitec Optima 6 £33



Don Fry09/11/2018 18:49:49
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Sorry people, where is this "argument" taking us. Both north of Watford Gap, and south of Watford Gap arguing they are the more poverty stricken. And can't afford the electronics for their toy planes.

And the answer is still, go down the local club, find a hand friendly transmitter, well supported in the club and buy one.

Piers Bowlan09/11/2018 18:54:33
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You missed one out Paul... JR RG613BX 6ch - £75, when you can get them. Note to self:- I really ought to switch to another brand!

Paul Marsh09/11/2018 18:59:20
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I don't count JR, as they are "past" product and I don't think it would be a good idea for a newbie to buy an obsolete protocol - when the receivers dry up on sale. Also, JR were too expensive, as you said, £75 for a 6ch rx. No wonder JR folded...

Erfolg09/11/2018 19:38:08
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Ahhh, yes future proofing, upgradeability those silken words that spill of the tongue of the salesman then past the lips. Just a month or two down the track, of course it is future proof, just need to throw out this circuit board, ah, yes and this can go to, between you and me, that was not very good, this is much better. Well, no one saw the EU changing the regulations. For you, we can do a cunning deal, it will save you shed loads of money, in the long run, just more than a new Tx now.

There is innovation and innovation, then gimmicks. Are all the other producers making Txs which are not ergonomic?

Ah, yes quality. if it is a carbon fibre reinforced moulded box, Well I would be bored. If on the other hand a box machined from a billet, I would be thinking lets make a virtue of low volume sales. Tooling for a case for a few thousand cases, that would cost money, now a case from a billet, well that is added value, it is quality.

I guess with respect to ergonomics, the big red emergency button goes in the middle, that can now be the on off switch. As for the rest, lets just blag how superior our pretty much standard layout is.

flight109/11/2018 19:44:02
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Well after reading thought the last few posts it is decided then the OP must get a Teranis or for a few more squid a (worth it!!) horus x10 / x10s (Me X12s) and revile in the low cost of rx's and other useful items like the redundancy bus 10... fantastic

PS don't forget with the Horus radios you don't need use open tx you can keep it simple with FrSky's on system which now is very good and more features to come me thinks

all solved then?? as though i find other makes tempting Frsky has nailed itparty

Martin Harris09/11/2018 20:10:59
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Posted by Paul Marsh on 09/11/2018 18:43:29:

In the end, I see what receivers cost, so for comparison, i've looked at a list of different 6/7 channel receivers, most would buy. Would you buy a radio brand with the most expensive receivers? Saying that all the below makes are fit for purpose and all will work with most size of model.

Spektrum AR610 : £39 rrp
Jeti REX6A £105 (only one they make in 6ch)
Futaba 2006GS £34
Futaba 617FASST £70
Multiplex
Rx-7 M-LINK £65
FRsky 6ch telematary SBUS £22
Graupner £52
Tactic 6ch £25
Hitec Optima 6 £33

The Jeti REX6 is currently £66.28 from the official importer - the one you've listed has a fairly sophisticated stabilisation system incorporated.

supertigrefan09/11/2018 20:12:55
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Posted by Erfolg on 09/11/2018 19:38:08:

Ahhh, yes future proofing, upgradeability those silken words that spill of the tongue of the salesman then past the lips. Just a month or two down the track, of course it is future proof, just need to throw out this circuit board, ah, yes and this can go to, between you and me, that was not very good, this is much better. Well, no one saw the EU changing the regulations. For you, we can do a cunning deal, it will save you shed loads of money, in the long run, just more than a new Tx now.

There is innovation and innovation, then gimmicks. Are all the other producers making Txs which are not ergonomic?

Ah, yes quality. if it is a carbon fibre reinforced moulded box, Well I would be bored. If on the other hand a box machined from a billet, I would be thinking lets make a virtue of low volume sales. Tooling for a case for a few thousand cases, that would cost money, now a case from a billet, well that is added value, it is quality.

I guess with respect to ergonomics, the big red emergency button goes in the middle, that can now be the on off switch. As for the rest, lets just blag how superior our pretty much standard layout is.

If this ridicule is aimed at me then I was asked why I (me, myself), would recommend those makes....those are the aspects of those manufacturers that I prefer over the others.....my apologies if that grieves you.

PatMc09/11/2018 20:18:14
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Posted by supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 17:38:30:
Posted by PatMc on 09/11/2018 16:18:51:
Posted by supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 15:35:47:

I'm a Futaba user from the beginning, never owned any other name Tx yet I recommend Multiplex or Graupner.

Just curious, why do you recommend Graupner ?

Same as for Multiplex......I like their styling, ergonomics, futureproofing & upgradability (is that a word?), quality, features and innovation. I also own a Saab (that should explain a lot) wink

Edited By supertigrefan on 09/11/2018 17:39:50

Mmm, can't say that I find your reasoning is justified.
The Saab reference is lost on me.

PS I'm not ridiculing your opinion, merely still puzzled.

Edited By PatMc on 09/11/2018 20:21:00

Erfolg09/11/2018 20:21:03
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Martin, at least you get paid, up north, we have to work for nowt, then pay to stand in line for a zero hour contract. Get whipped daily, As for housing, it is a cardboard box for many and then consider how much we pay, compared with your palaces Buckingham, Crystal. You even pinched the one decent castle we had, Leeds and moved it down south. Unless you live in Wimlslow, Alderly Edge, then you pay £4m for terraced house.

Frsky Rxs for Futaba Fast cost £14. And that is all we northerners can afford.

Most of us up here, use every single brand and model, under the sun. You know I have noticed, that people with expensive sets, only crash because something unfathomable happened. Where as some one who has just started, with a cheap set, made a mistake.

I seriously upgrade my RC set when i purchased an Aluminum Case for it to go in. I did think of spraying Futaba on it, to increase the street cred. In the end, I used a felt tip pen to add that urban mystique.

We all have our prejudices, my own is Waltron, followed by Space Commander.

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