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Cuban813/11/2018 11:35:15
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I've watched Peter Jackson's film twice now and I'd be interested in hearing other forumites' comments.

I thought that it worked very well, and brought life to what were always really just moving shadows, devoid of humanity and distant. I'm not entirely convinced by the quality of the colourisation, parts were good, but for some reason it became intrusive in some areas, particularly the unnatural greens of foliage and grass. Skin tones are difficult to get right.

Where it did really work was the way the film had been cleaned up and had the speed adjusted to make the movements of people completely realistic. The sound effects and dialogue were clever. I'd like to view it again in B/W.

John Stainforth13/11/2018 11:59:46
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I thought it was outstanding. So vivid did it look, I could hardly believe it was not a re-enactment.

Martin Harris13/11/2018 12:00:34
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Easy enough to do - it's on iPlayer at the moment and you should be able to adjust your colour settings on your TV to give monochrome. You would still see the sharpened and correctly synchronised version though.

Having seen it both at the cinema and on TV, I felt the process brought so much life to the film and emphasised that these weren't just the slightly remote historical figures from my grandparents' generation I'd grown up watching in B&W but people exactly the same as today's teenagers and young men. However much I've read and watched previously, the stark realism from the colourised version was both a revelation and a humbling experience.

I don't recall any impression that the colour renditioning was unrealistic - the big surprise to me was the colour of the British soldiers' undershirts which I'd assumed would be khaki but looked blue/grey in the film. As I understand that great care was taken to represent colours accurately, I have to assume this was correct. Did you watch the cinema version C8 or perhaps your TV is set to emphasise greens?

Devcon113/11/2018 13:38:14
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For me it was the most visual and stunning piece of television I've ever seen, the first clip that evolved into colour was breathtaking, my jaw dropped.

I was completely drawn into the scenes and almost felt like being there, all comments that I've read before but it really did bring these soldiers to life and told an incredible story of their experiences and both the harsh reality of the front line but also the fun and day to day aspect of war on foreign soil for these men and women.

A truly inspirational and humbling piece of work.

Cuban813/11/2018 14:13:29
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I'll watch it again this afternoon, both colourised and with the TV set to monochrome. I'm not knocking what's been achieved, I too was bowled over by the transition from B/W to colour. Essential viewing.

ken anderson.13/11/2018 14:58:24
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thumbs up from as well as an insight....

ken dept.

Gary Manuel13/11/2018 15:07:55
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Recorded it to watch later. Saw a few bits during adverts on other side and it looked excellent.

Don't spoil it by telling us how it ends wink

Cuban813/11/2018 16:52:30
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I've given myself a break from painting our hallway (repaying all the brownie points spent for summer Sundays out all day flying wink) and watched the film again. It really is a masterpiece. What I said about the colourisation, I'd like to expand on a bit. It's all good and works well, but of course, it's not modern Technicolor and perhaps I was expecting too much. Mind you, given the advancements in tech, who knows what might be able to be achieved in years to come.

I did notice that the process worked exceptionally well when, presumably, the original B/W footage was of particularly high quality in terms of its focus and definition. This is particularly apparent towards the end of the film at the casualty clearing station, where image definition is very high and the colourisation is very sharp and looks as if it could have been shot on a modern domestic video. Wonderful.

Where the footage was less distinct, the colours seemed to be a bit smudged and not quite so lifelike. Do you think that some scenes were animated stills? One view of a group of 'Tommies' resting outside a building looks quite static with just a couple of their heads nodding, somewhat unconvincingly. Another panning shot along a group of soldiers also looks a bit odd, as the background doesn't change its perspective as one would expect. Again not a criticism, just interested in the technicalities of how they achieved what they did in production.

Steve Hargreaves - Moderator03/02/2019 11:23:56
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For those (like me sad) who missed this the first time around & then found it had been withdrawn from iPlayer after 7 days (meaning I missed it TWICE....dont know) this film is available on iPlayer once more for another 29 days.....thumbs up

John Maggs03/02/2019 11:44:10
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I think everyone should watch it!

Engine Doctor03/02/2019 11:51:16
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Brilliant film / program. I found it odd that some of the messages spoken by actors suggested that some of soldiers enjoyed it . My Grandfather a machine gunner, went right through the war , was gassed twice and then sent to northern Ireland for six months as a reward to try and sort the troubles ! What they didn't convey in the film was the harsh treatment metered out by the military and lip service paid to those men by glib politicians . As said he he was gassed twice but that didn't count as an injury ! and was sent back to the front line after their normal break . The second gassing he was sent home for a couple of weeks then back to fight . He had trouble breathing the rest of his life and had NO help from our land fit for Heroes. He died in 1960 and suffered all his life but never complained or made a fuss.

Every time I hear "Lest we forget " spoken by a politician I am reminded of the hypocricy that still goes on

Cuban803/02/2019 12:54:35
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Interesting comments, ED. Similar to my own grandfather who was a regular before the start, was gassed, and as with your relative, wound up in Ireland for a while after the armistice. Never knew my paternal grandad, died before my birth when he was in his mid-fifties. Makes me annoyed at what our families went through and how badly they were treated subsequently. I never recall much in the way of complaints though, people tended to get on with their lot and simply made the best of a bad job.

J D 803/02/2019 13:30:03
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Very moving to see those pictures.

I think it was just as much the more realistic speed of movement than the added sound and colour that brought that lost generation to life for a short time. My mam's dad was one of them.

Wilco Wingco03/02/2019 16:09:44
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My grandfather was a stable boy before the outbreak of war and so he got the job of looking after the horses and mules at the front when he joined up at the outbreak of hostilities. He spent all the war years keeping his beloved animals alive to serve the king and country. At the end of the war he had to kill them to feed the German prisoners of war. The majority of those that made it back to England were the "private" mounts of officers. He then signed up for peacetime support and in the 30s was used to "control" the unrest in the general strike. No wonder he voted Labour all his life.

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