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Former Member26/02/2019 07:59:07
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Nigel Dell26/02/2019 08:31:18
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They look good value too!

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Don Fry26/02/2019 09:55:28
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There is a bit of Flair stuff being shifted. The was a discussion a short while ago about Pupeteer short kits on E Bay. I saw them relisgted yesterday, reduced to £70, and a footnote from the seller, there will be no more due to lack of demand. Sad really.

Cuban826/02/2019 10:04:11
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Posted by Don Fry on 26/02/2019 09:55:28:

There is a bit of Flair stuff being shifted. The was a discussion a short while ago about Pupeteer short kits on E Bay. I saw them relisgted yesterday, reduced to £70, and a footnote from the seller, there will be no more due to lack of demand. Sad really.

I find the 'no demand' extraordinary. Have they tried advertising in RCM&E or BMFA magazine? How about a build article to give them a helping hand? I'd certainly guess that many potential Flair addicts are not habitual Ebayers. Unstarted kits and complete models go for silly money at auctions/swapmeets and are in high demand.

Martyn Briggs26/02/2019 10:24:23
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Hi, I've bought one of the few remaining Puppeteer short "kits", to make later ( can't start immediately, household building work going on at the moment). It seems to be a bargain, and I look forward to its arrival soon.

I notice though that the short kit does not include centre section struts, and I don't think the plans, such as they are, show them at full size. I think they are different lengths/ heights too. Has anybody got some that they have salvaged from a crashed Puppeteer, or at least a full size drawing? I'm happy to pay.

Edited By Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:25:23

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Don Fry26/02/2019 11:01:53
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Posted by Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:24:23:

Hi, I've bought one of the few remaining Puppeteer short "kits", to make later ( can't start immediately, household building work going on at the moment). It seems to be a bargain, and I look forward to its arrival soon.

I notice though that the short kit does not include centre section struts, and I don't think the plans, such as they are, show them at full size. I think they are different lengths/ heights too. Has anybody got some that they have salvaged from a crashed Puppeteer, or at least a full size drawing? I'm happy to pay.

Edited By Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:25:23

I don't think you have a problem. From memory, they are made with three structural bits, brass tube with a bent and flattened end with a hole drilled therein, top and bottom, with a wire , slide fit, connecting the brass bits. They supply exact dimensions on the "plan". Solder to length. Easiest way is knock up a simple jig, and then the soldering becomes stress free. Or the wings are positioned with a tempory spacer, and the struts soldered in situ. Either way, all you need is some wire and brass. The full kits supplied no more than that.

Edited By Don Fry on 26/02/2019 11:04:39

Don Fry26/02/2019 11:12:19
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In fairness, the seller is Flair. For a number of years some efforts were made to resurrect the company. It's a fairly recent situation that the kits became more than full retail, and I have some doubts that it would continue at anything other than retail if supply increased to match the tiny demand.

And in this case, I think he wanted IRO £90 last week, and has dropped the price this week. I know EBay is not the only market place, but 3 available, not snapped up.

Edited By Don Fry on 26/02/2019 11:59:07

David S26/02/2019 11:19:50
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Posted by Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:24:23:

Hi, I've bought one of the few remaining Puppeteer short "kits", to make later ( can't start immediately, household building work going on at the moment). It seems to be a bargain, and I look forward to its arrival soon.

I notice though that the short kit does not include centre section struts, and I don't think the plans, such as they are, show them at full size. I think they are different lengths/ heights too. Has anybody got some that they have salvaged from a crashed Puppeteer, or at least a full size drawing? I'm happy to pay.

Edited By Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:25:23

Hi Martin,

I’m currently building a Puppeteer from an old kit that I’ve had in the loft for a number of years.

if you like I’ll take some photos of the cabane struts against a steel rule and send them to you?

Just PM me your email address.

David

Martyn Briggs26/02/2019 11:33:36
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Thanks very much for your quick reply, Don, but I think you might be referring to the interplane struts. What I meant were the centre section struts, often referred to as cabane struts (though strictly this is incorrect to be pedantic).

From photographs of several build logs these seem to be bent up from aluminium alloy strip, like the similar ones on a DB Barnstormer. It's crucial that they are the right size, because they will determine the incidence of the top wing.

These are the strut dimensions I need - and I can't make out from photos if they are shown full size on Puppeteer "plans".

Nigel R26/02/2019 11:55:44
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"I find the 'no demand' extraordinary"

I don't know why. The majority of flyers buy ARTF, given the choice.

Ask Willis of Warbirds why he isn't producing kits any more.

And his were well liked, and popular on here.

Don Fry26/02/2019 12:08:39
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Martin, you may be right as to materials, I havnt built a Puppeteer.

But I I was referring to the centre section struts, and on the 1/4 scale triplane, and the DVII, both of which I have built, they both use wire and brass as described, with a wood overlay to give them shape. And on both kits you make them from scratch and solder them up. And sufficient details are provided on the "plan" is provided.

David S26/02/2019 12:57:30
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Posted by Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:24:23:

Hi, I've bought one of the few remaining Puppeteer short "kits", to make later ( can't start immediately, household building work going on at the moment). It seems to be a bargain, and I look forward to its arrival soon.

I notice though that the short kit does not include centre section struts, and I don't think the plans, such as they are, show them at full size. I think they are different lengths/ heights too. Has anybody got some that they have salvaged from a crashed Puppeteer, or at least a full size drawing? I'm happy to pay.

Edited By Martyn Briggs on 26/02/2019 10:25:23

Hi again Martin,

PM received and photos sent to your email address.

I forgot to mention that the two struts are the same length/height.

Regards,

David

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Don Fry26/02/2019 14:48:56
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Because the demand for them is not there if actually offered.

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David S27/02/2019 22:22:47
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Interestingly an untouched Flair DR1 kit has this evening sold on EBay for £225 and had 29 bids!

Edited By David S on 27/02/2019 22:23:06

Robert Welford27/02/2019 23:25:20
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Posted by David S on 27/02/2019 22:22:47:

Interestingly an untouched Flair DR1 kit has this evening sold on EBay for £225 and had 29 bids!

Edited By David S on 27/02/2019 22:23:06

29 bids reflects a reasonable amount of interest, but £225 is not excessive for a nib Flair 1/4 scale DR1 kit.

Martin Harris28/02/2019 00:18:38
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I wonder whether these untouched kits go to builders or to collectors?

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