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Percy Verance06/03/2019 17:40:45
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I can't imagine too many on here are potential buyers, but Tesla have slashed almost £50k from the price of their Model S and X models.......

I find myself wondering what parts they've left off?  Perhaps they've finally spotted the competition coming over the horizon?  Jag iPace is much cheaper..... and the VW Group have 20+ pure electric and hybrid models coming in the next 18 months.

Whatever is behind this Mr Musk needs to get his act together fairly quickly. Presumably he's hoping the price reductions on the S and X models will mean more sales? That's good in theory, but with 500,000 back orders for the Tesla 3 model which he seems powerless to address, how on earth does he plan to cope? And what about residual values of the existing cars? There are going to be a few brassed off owners I'm sure. No repeat sales from them then......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 17:57:53

Andrew76706/03/2019 17:58:26
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Percy

Are you sure this isn't just down to Tesla moving to direct sales only..i.e miss out the dealer.

Andrew

Percy Verance06/03/2019 18:07:25
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Could be Andrew. Whatever it is it sounds radical. Time will tell I imagine.......

Tesla no longer rule the roost anymore, and the rivals are gearing up for a full frontal assault. Even Maserati are going hybrid. Aston Martin are about to market a full electric Vantage model. Mr Musk could well be having restless nights.........

Moving to direct sales will reduce overheads, but won't make a jot of difference to those 500,000 Model 3 back orders.......One of the biggest issues Musk now faces is that others are about to pull the rug from underneath him. The VW i.d. Neo (Golf sized) hatchback, will go on sale this year at the same price as the diesel Golf.......

I think there are some more details re: Tesla on the  Drivingelectric.com  site

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 18:20:32

Rich too06/03/2019 18:20:09
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Tesla have reduced prices to sell to the mass market - not many can afford £80k for a car.

They have closed a lot of/most dealerships to fund it. Where do you go for maintenance ?

it doesn’t sound too promising for the brand.

ps although I thought it was a new model at £30k not £50k off existing model prices.

 

Edited By Rich too on 06/03/2019 18:21:27

Edited By Rich too on 06/03/2019 18:21:44

Frank Skilbeck06/03/2019 18:20:45
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Possibly, but a test of Tesla vs the new Jag E Pace and Audi electric showed that the Tesla traveled significantly further per kwh, so maybe they do have some advantages.

Percy Verance06/03/2019 18:22:22
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Trouble is Rich the goalposts are moving............ When Elon Musk started all this, he was running the game. But there are now players he has no control over........

The range advantage is a constantly diminishing one as more charging locations come on stream Frank. The vast majority of electric cars are used for the daily commute, and are charged at home. Certainly, cars with longer ranges are now starting to appear, along with faster charging. Porche are to market their Macan model next year. This will have the capability of being charged at up to 350kw, with consequently shorter charging times. Ionity, the partnership between Shell, Mercedes, BMW, Ford and the VW Group are looking to install a complete rapid charge network in both Europe and the UK. They say that, using one of their rapid charge outlets, along with CCS cables, a typical charge time could be 10 to 15 minutes. Of course your vehicle will need to be capable of the current. Other cars capable of taking a 350kw charge are planned for 2020.

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 18:52:38

Don Fry06/03/2019 18:52:24
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Is Musk still there, I thought he got shifted about illegal rigging of share prices or somsuch bizarre law oppperable in Trumpland.

edit, in post as CEO, not physically in Trumpland.

Edited By Don Fry on 06/03/2019 18:53:47

Tom Sharp 206/03/2019 19:19:38
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Using the name Tesla was a disaster in the making. Tesla himself went bankrupt through business ineptitude.

Steve Hargreaves - Moderator06/03/2019 19:46:40
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Nikola Tesla was also an absolute genius who was so far ahead of his time it was difficult to comprehend. One reason he went bankrupt was his decision to release Westinghouse from the patents/contracts agreement he had with them as they were on the verge of bankruptcy. Had he pursued them & had Westinghouse been around to pay him I read he would be worth around $43 billion in today's money.....

He was an amazingly clever man & we owe much of today's electrical infrastructure to his ideas.

Don Fry06/03/2019 19:50:40
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Percy, 350 Kw is IRO 1400 Amps from the charger, at 250 volts. Is that right? That's the standard input cable to a dozen houses. Even on 3 phase, that 700 amps. That's a right big cable.

Percy Verance06/03/2019 19:57:39
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Have a look on Drivingelectric.com more details there, including some background info from the National Grid CEO

Some info on Ionity too. They're behind the rapid charge network.  Home chargers are usually 7kw, although a costlier 22kw version is available. The normal maximum of current charge points at present is 50kw, although Tesla have their own exclusive 100kw network I believe. 

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 20:03:41

Don Fry06/03/2019 20:16:41
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Percy, you have studied the Websites.

Installed capability, or being built capability, or budgeted capability, or other on paper plans, or rear od a fag packet dreams.

Edited By Don Fry on 06/03/2019 20:17:13

Percy Verance06/03/2019 20:38:23
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Go find someone else to argue with. I can't be bothered with you. Ignore button clicked.

And you've used the *back of a fag packet* gag before. It's getting tedious.

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 20:56:48

Colin Leighfield06/03/2019 20:40:28
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Interested to see that American Consumer Reports has removed the Tesla Model 3 from their recommended list because of “declining quality”. Equally interesting to see that they have also removed the BMW 5 series for the same reasons.

Edited By Colin Leighfield on 06/03/2019 20:45:22

Percy Verance06/03/2019 20:42:29
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Well there's a surprise Colin.....

Have you seen/heard about the current BMW recall mess? Customers without cars for weeks, waiting for parts?  Saatchi & Saatchi might need to burn the midnight oil after all this......

Edited By Percy Verance on 06/03/2019 20:45:39

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IDD1506/03/2019 21:01:10
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Don

The 350 Kw charging is based on cars with 800V systems, the first of which will be the Porsche Macan which is due later this year. So yes it’s a bit of a paper tiger at the moment, but the numbers are moving in the right direction.

Must admit when fast charging I try not to think too much about the 90 plus amps going into the battery underneath my derrière! 350K is going to be very toasty....

IDD

Colin Leighfield06/03/2019 21:07:32
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I had never resolved reliability issues with a BMW 5 series back in the nineties. The most disappointing car I ever owned. That is a long time ago though, although from the cars going through the company over the years BMWs have never been the most reliable.

Real viability with electric vehicles will come when cars have a practical range in excess of 300 miles in all conditions of use and can be recharged at universally available roadside charging points in ten minutes. I don’t doubt it will happen. However I was recently present at a regional transport committee meeting I chair where FTA/RHS representatives said that conversion of freight transport to electric power was still 20/30 years away and the current move elsewhere in the world is to gas for HGVs. Surprisingly unpublicised is that the world’s largest HGV producer, Scania, will this year deliver 30% of their output powered by gas. Iveco are expected to be similar.

Surprisingly also was the decision by the UK government last year to cancel the rail electrification programme, very important to UK manufacturing, and replace it with the introduction of “Bi-Mode” locos powered by both diesel and electric motors, so they can operate equally on both electrified and non-electrified lines. These will be manufactured in Japan and assembled in the North East of England in a new operation employing just 350 people. So we will have diesel engines running on our lines for decades to come while our confused transport minister tells us not to buy diesel cars. The whole thing is contradictory, confusing and misdirected. However it is also inevitable although uncertainties remain.

Gary Murphy 106/03/2019 21:39:47
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My mate is a Chauffeur and his box bought a Tesla. My mate had to drive it to the bosses other house in Scotland.

The story of the time it took and the problems with charging was hilarious , electric cars, yeah right.

By the way, the Tesla he bought was to save the planet. its in Scotland ,used only at some weekends. His daily driven drive is a 5 + litre petrol long wheel base range rover!

Tom Sharp 207/03/2019 02:05:57
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They have had a rude awakening in the USA in the recent very low temperatures. Pure electric cars were giving only half the claimed range and using seat/window heating reduced the range to one third of claimed figures. The ultimate recommendation from official sources was to keep the car in a heated garage. !!!!!!!!

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