when adds were interesting
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So just another 'all our yesterdays' thread for GOG's on here ! Think the world was better in black&white
one of those 'if only' (I had the money) models
any one remember this firm?
Feel free to dive in with your own 'back in the day '
|Bob Cotsford||06/03/2019 20:29:03|
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I remember all three of those ads. Who wouldn't want a handily sized P6-E or the exotic MB5? The CAP kits were hard work though.
|Colin Leighfield||06/03/2019 20:33:55|
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Great memories. Most of them just as viable flyers now as they were then. Commercial reality probably limits market potential but hopefully we will see something come out of all this interest.
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Not forgetting Bowman Models, just up the A12 from me in Ipswich. And keeping the East Anglia connection, Galaxy models Ipswich and Norwich.
|Percy Verance||06/03/2019 20:55:32|
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Bob the CAP kits were a nightmare to put together. The die cutting was worse than abysmal. I got the Gladiator half built and gave up through sheer frustration.
|Paul Marsh||06/03/2019 20:58:44|
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Two here: PJ Models is where we used to live when my dad was stationed at RAF Benson. I bought a J3 Cub a few years ago from him, he still lived on the same road and remembered my dad!
|Alan Gorham_||06/03/2019 20:59:31|
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I had several Bowmans models kits: Mini Skyman, Spatman and Simpleton. Good, honest simple models that were tough and I did lots of flying with them all!
I believe I'm right in saying that Chris Golds designed the Flywel Models kits.
And I'm just building a Howard Metcalfe models Focke Wulf Ta-152H.
Nostalgia...ahh. It's the future.
Edited By Alan Gorham_ on 06/03/2019 21:00:49
|Robert Parker||06/03/2019 21:13:47|
877 forum posts
I started working in September 1978, the cost of the Avro 504 was a week and a halves wages before tax was deducted.
I got this last year
May start building it later this year.
I would love to find a copy of this concord, used to see it in the plans guide years ago, gone now.
I once built the Howard Metcalfe Crossfire fibre glass fuselage, never got past the maiden aileron flutter rolled over and in like a rocket. The joys.
|Frank Skilbeck||06/03/2019 21:15:14|
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I finally finished a CAP Jungmeister last year after starting it over 25 years ago! glad I did it's a cracking flier.
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That's a coincidence Robert,I have a Veron 504 under my bench ! and I have just purchased that issue of rcm&e off e-bay !! And I have the plans and cowl for the CAP jungmeister
Any one ever build one of these ?
got a feeling I know of one person Mr D.D.
|Percy Verance||07/03/2019 05:51:08|
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I built the Telemaster 1800 from that very kit back in the early 80's Jeff. A superbly relaxing flyer, I had it for years before I sold it on. I did build another from the plan at a later date, but went and sold that before I even flew it!
I bought a new copy of the plan for the built up wing version from DD a couple of years back. While I was at it I also got the 8 footer plan too! Lord knows if I'll actually build that, but someone else had one back in the days I flew my 6ft version and it wasn't half nice......
There are a number of plans out there for the Telemaster, including one on Outerzone, which I think is the original by the German designer..... DD used to import kits from the US, but due to some technical difficulty he gave up I think.
|SIMON CRAGG||07/03/2019 07:06:20|
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Oddly enough, I have just resurected a big Telemaster that was "found" in somebodies attic. Makes a good camera platform. Dave Smith Models, Galaxy, Balsacraft, Pilot Models, Cambrian Models, Veron, the list goes on!.
Edited By SIMON CRAGG on 07/03/2019 07:08:38
|David Davis||07/03/2019 07:16:38|
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Yes I used to have a little hobby business called Telemaster Sales UK, I imported kits from the USA. Initially I made a modest profit on every sale because I paid wholesale rates for the kits plus shipping from America. The six and eight-foot models were the most popular but I did sell a few twelve-foot Giant Telemasters too. Then the management of my supplier changed and they wanted ridiculous amounts of money to cover the shipping costs. They also objected to my having the name "Telemaster" in my business title.Simultaneously they changed the method of construction from the traditional kit to a slot-together arrangement and at a much higher price. So much for the much vaunted American business acumen. Their loss. I had sold over fifty kits to enthusiasts from as far afield as Serbia, Ireland, Germany and South Africa.
I still get enquiries for plans. My first Telemaster, pictured below, powered by a Merco 61, was an eight-foot Senior Telemaster with the original German wing with inset so-called "Barn Door " ailerons. I had a clubmate draw up a plan of this wing in cad so that it's available to builders who want to make a model with the original wing as opposed to the later strip aileron version.
I've never actually built a Telemaster 1800 aka Telemaster 40, Sparks built it for me, third from the left in the picture below, but I've flown the entire Telemaster range and the T40 is my favourite. I flew it frequently until the wings fell off one day when I was demonstrating it to a potential buyer! I still have the wing and if other projects will permit and I live long enough, I may build another fuselage and tailplane for it one day.
Edited By David Davis on 07/03/2019 07:26:18
|Brett Jones||07/03/2019 08:51:02|
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Edited By Brett Jones on 07/03/2019 08:51:32
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It's staggering to consider the sheer volume of British model kits that were available back in the day, and of course, that's without the considerable output of the US and Europeans. I suppose the modern phenomenon of the ARTF foamy, but almost exclusively from the Far East now, mirrors the volumes of the old kits, so the flyers are still out there, but just a different breed with different requirements.
However, do I detect a degree of ARTF 'fatigue' setting in. I bought a couple of ready to go models just for the buzz of instant gratification, but I doubt if I'd be inclined to spend again on yet another small, 3S warbird. Even the larger and very nice FMS examples are nowhere near as common on the fields that I use, compared to three or four years ago. Might be different elsewhere? A number of chaps in my club who have been down the ARTF fixed wing/Heli/drone route recently, are now enamoured with of all things..........autogyros!
Goodness knows where we'll be in say five years time.
|Alan Gorham_||07/03/2019 10:11:22|
791 forum posts
Personally I never found far-eastern ARTFs very satisfactory. Wrinkly covering, no fuelproofer applied in tank/engine bays, poor gluing especially around U/C mounts and frequently cheap rubbish hardware.
It always meant extra work for me putting one together which defeats the object of buying an ARTF in the first place.
Plus I've never found them very durable, looking tatty or even falling apart after 2 or 3 years flying.
Contrast that with most of my British made built-up kits that are tougher and have lasted many years (I had a DB Barnstormer 63 that flew regularly for 32 years - only recovered twice in that time).
I did buy 3 or 4 ARTFs as "quick-fix, get me flying models" a few years ago but I would now not bother, especially as ARTF prices have risen so much in the last few years. It's definitely made good kits and plan building more attractive.
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I think it was the novelty factor that drove the early ARTFs, certainly, as Alan says above, it wasn't for the outstanding quality. The Vietnamese manufactured VMARs were shocking for build and finish, but at around, IIRC, eighty quid for a 60" span Extra or CAP, they served a purpose and gave a season or two's flying before the covering fell off or you'd got sick of repairing the undercart mounts. To be fair, they did improve quite a bit over time, and the likes of Hanger 9, Black Horse etc aren't too bad at all now.............but the prices are nowhere near like they were and I think that's been a factor in dropping sales.
To get back to kits and building (what I think most of us would like to see become really popular and mainstream again) we're seeing big adverts from Sarik and Tony Nijhuis in the magazine and that's excellent. A few others as well like Cambrian and DB Sport and Scale etc are all surviving the lean times and hopefully, will enjoy better business in the coming years.
|extra slim||07/03/2019 11:34:03|
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The old man used to say that ARTC (Almost ready to cover) would have been much better, so you could see all the poor joints, reinforce where you wanted and cover with your own scheme... I think some companies did dabble in this but it looks to have dropped right off..... I guess that is where some of the foam deck, foam wing, sometimes pre built fus (DSM) were leading the way.. way back... !
|Braddock, VC||07/03/2019 11:41:59|
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MicroMold kits, I bought the kawasaki hien and liked it so much I bought another "just in case" I sold the second at the 2004 nats for a bit more than I gave for it and two weeks or so later, just in case happened and an oak tree trunk v balsa proved the old saying a good big un will always beat a good little un.
Always wanted the spit mk 24 I think. Ho Hum, don't have the reflexes now to keep up with it though.
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