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alan p26/04/2019 17:34:01
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Nothing more certain in life than death and taxes, not sure which is the worse these daysdont know

Steve J26/04/2019 17:43:24
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BMFA statement

Steve

JOHN MOSLEY 226/04/2019 19:03:06
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Have filled in consultation document, I afraid that's the only thing you can do. Each day we seem to become a more regulated society in the UK. Don't think the Gatwick saga did us any favours, it would have been nice to have proof of an actual drone or drones were present.sad

 

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paul coleman 126/04/2019 19:22:55
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il,second that john.

Steve J26/04/2019 19:31:25
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Posted by JOHN MOSLEY 2 on 26/04/2019 19:03:06:

Don't think the Gatwick saga did us any favours

This has nothing to do with Gatwick. Registration has been on the cards for over three years. I am surprised that it has taken this long.

Steve

Andy Blackburn26/04/2019 19:43:54
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I've also filled-in the consultation document (politely but firmly).

Paul C.26/04/2019 20:57:22
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Consultation document completed, time will tell 😩

Martin Dance 126/04/2019 21:12:45
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Once again we are going to be the recipient of incompetent government. This is simply another piece of proposed beaurocracy. Have submitted my response. Just want a local council candidate to knock at my door now!!!!

Martin Fraser26/04/2019 21:36:58
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Hi all,

I don't often 'go off on one' but what will this scheme achieve? Has anyone ever been killed by a DRONE?

About 70 people were killed in London last year with knives - are all knife uses registered?

Anyway, this is my online submission -

Why not follow the French and make it free as the BMFA have offered their database of all responsible and insured model pilots in the UK.

I can see how this whole madcap scheme has come about (Gatwick fiasco) and it reminds me of the dangerous dogs act 1991, brought about by a few tragic cases of children mauled to death by their family 'pet,' fuelled on by headlines in the tabloid press and knee-jerk reactions from politicians in the 'silly season'.


The same people who allow a Pitbull terrier to baby sit will not take any notice of this legislation and will do whatever they like, point lasers at aircraft, fly their drones into ATZs, carry knives and drive uninsured/unlicensed cars and kill people for fun.

Meanwhile responsible, proficient and registered BMFA members will be the first to get an armed response unit to kick their front door down at dawn when another moron transgresses the ANO in their local.

The world is going madder!

GrahamWh26/04/2019 22:15:55
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Done.

But does this government listen to anyone but itself?

PETER BRUCE - Eastchurch Gap26/04/2019 22:27:29
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The only way the CAA can find out who we are if we don’t pay this fee - is if the BMFA give them our details so they can check one database against another but the data protection act prevents that however forget that and just ask who will force the lone drone flyers to register and pay...

We are responsible flyers and have fully recognised insurance and fly by the rules.

Dont want my door battered in just because I’m registered.

So do I want to register- sorry but I don’t think this is right...

john stones 126/04/2019 23:05:22
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Surprised at the cost of it, government cut CAA budget so they stick it to us, won't be giving my council grief, not their doing, tickles me that the French get registered for free. Will fill consultation in and publicise it within our club. It's only £1.40 ish a month though ?

Alan Gorham_26/04/2019 23:14:25
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The BMFA is not the only UK model flying association. Not all model flyers are members of the BMFA.

BMFA members are not the only insured, competency tested and responsible model flyers in the UK. Those of you suggesting that this is the case are misinformed....

MattyB26/04/2019 23:23:42
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Posted by Steve J on 26/04/2019 19:31:25:
Posted by JOHN MOSLEY 2 on 26/04/2019 19:03:06:

Don't think the Gatwick saga did us any favours

This has nothing to do with Gatwick. Registration has been on the cards for over three years. I am surprised that it has taken this long.

Steve

Agreed. The £16.50 charge annually seems very high given they could have done this by leveraging the national associations instead, but I don’t understand why many posters in this thread are surprised/outraged at the prospect of registration itself. That has been a near certainty since the first draft EASA proposals were released, and was confirmed for certain in 2018.

MattyB26/04/2019 23:34:55
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Posted by Alan Gorham_ on 26/04/2019 14:28:14:

It looks unlikely that they will be able to get an exemption. The document specifically states several times that the registrant numbers expected include members of existing model flying associations.

I especially loved the "infographic" on the last page of the document. I don't really understand it if truth is told. Why does one route involve a test and the other involve a fee but then it states that if you are responsible for AND fly drones then only one registration is necessary...

There is also a typo on that infographic that says registration is valid for 3 years, but elsewhere in the doc it states 1 with a possibility of moving to 3 once they know how many people are registering and whether they can “cover their costs”. Hmmm.... sarcastic

Gary Manuel26/04/2019 23:43:09
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The register could be used by the CAA to investigate illegal drone activity - as a list of law abiding operators who can be eliminated from their enquiries. It doesn't take a genius to work out that people who are going to operate a drone illegally, won't bother with registration and therefore won't be on the register.

Martin Harris27/04/2019 00:18:45
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I can't quite follow the logic - it would only eliminate around 40 000 out of the 66.85 million (that we know of) people in the UK...about .06%

Peter Jenkins27/04/2019 00:23:23
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Posted by charlie holdford on 26/04/2019 16:44:56:

Typical, I have just started with this hobby and under club instruction to obtain the BFMA A test. which I need to fly un supervised at model club fields.

I can just see me having passed this test, having a couple of weeks to enjoy flying only to be grounded by this new legislation. As a member of the so called BFMA I would have thought they would have been in dialogue with the CAA and would have informed its members prior to finding out via Facebook...... and this forum.

However if they where not involved in these new changes it beggars the question what do they do with the membership fees!

Dont get me wrong I don't have any issues with registering and being a proven safe or able pilot. I just won't do it twice

Charlie, as a new member of the BMFA, you may not be aware that you can go on their website to the News Page and register with your name and email address and get sent News bulletins, the latest of a long line of which deal with the issue, has just been published. You will then be able to keep up to date with all the work that the BMFA has, and continues to do on our behalf, with the CAA, DfT, EASA and so on. You may even find that the Area to which your Club belongs has a website that has some useful information on it as well. As you have just done your A Test, you will be familiar with the BMFA Handbook. That contains details of how the BMFA is structured. Your Club Secretary should be able to tell you in which Area the Club is and you can find the Area Website by going onto the BMFA website and navigating via "The BMFA", then "Areas" and look on the right hand side half way down. Most Areas have a website.

Hope you feel that the BMFA has indeed been actively pursuing our interests since it was formed and, on this topic, ever since EASA first published its intention to legislate on enabling airspace utilisation by drones a few years ago.

That having been said, we now need to show that all BMFA (and LMA, SAA and FPV UK) members care enough about this to respond to the CAA consultation but please check you have the facts right before doing so.

cymaz27/04/2019 00:50:58
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Posted by Martin Fraser on 26/04/2019 21:36:58:

Hi all,

I don't often 'go off on one' but what will this scheme achieve? Has anyone ever been killed by a DRONE?

About 70 people were killed in London last year with knives - are all knife uses registered?

Anyway, this is my online submission -

Why not follow the French and make it free as the BMFA have offered their database of all responsible and insured model pilots in the UK.

I can see how this whole madcap scheme has come about (Gatwick fiasco) and it reminds me of the dangerous dogs act 1991, brought about by a few tragic cases of children mauled to death by their family 'pet,' fuelled on by headlines in the tabloid press and knee-jerk reactions from politicians in the 'silly season'.


The same people who allow a Pitbull terrier to baby sit will not take any notice of this legislation and will do whatever they like, point lasers at aircraft, fly their drones into ATZs, carry knives and drive uninsured/unlicensed cars and kill people for fun.

Meanwhile responsible, proficient and registered BMFA members will be the first to get an armed response unit to kick their front door down at dawn when another moron transgresses the ANO in their local.

The world is going madder!

I’m sure reading about a young girl (. .?..)being hit by a model aircraft. Then there was that kid in the US with a helicopter who accidentally hit himself. Of all the millions of model flights taking place...1 accident, 1 self inflicted to my knowledge. Plenty of missing fingers though face 3

Gary Manuel27/04/2019 07:02:13
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Posted by Martin Harris on 27/04/2019 00:18:45:

I can't quite follow the logic - it would only eliminate around 40 000 out of the 66.85 million (that we know of) people in the UK...about .06%

Just venting my frustration that registration is a complete waste of time - and our money.

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