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Old Geezer27/04/2019 07:43:31
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Cymaz - yes there was a tragic accident involving a girl being killed by a model plane, years and years ago, the story might well get revived again in the "Meejah" - it has been at least twice since it happened ( 20 or more years ago ). How a registration number on the airframe would have protected the poor kid escapes me, any more than a number plate on a car protects a pedestrian or cyclist.

Steve J27/04/2019 07:50:21
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Posted by MattyB on 26/04/2019 23:23:42:

The £16.50 charge annually seems very high

U-space foundation services don't pay for themselves you know .

Steve

Steve J27/04/2019 07:53:22
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Posted by MattyB on 26/04/2019 23:34:55:

There is also a typo on that infographic that says registration is valid for 3 years, but elsewhere in the doc it states 1 with a possibility of moving to 3 once they know how many people are registering and whether they can “cover their costs”.

Operator registration (aka 'the drone tax', ANO 94C/D) is for one year. Competency (ANO 94E/F) is three years.

Steve

Brian Cooper27/04/2019 07:56:43
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Posted by Martin Fraser on 26/04/2019 21:36:58:

Hi all,

I don't often 'go off on one' but what will this scheme achieve? Has anyone ever been killed by a DRONE?

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Sadly, yes, I have had the unpleasant experience of witnessing a model aeroplane kill an 11-year-old boy. . It hit his head and, according to the coroner's report, the trauma was the equivalent of being by by a 20mm cannon shell...... there wasn't much left.

That tragedy resulted in the legal requirement to have our Fail Safe set to reducing the throttle to idle as an absolute minimum in the event of signal failure.

B.C.

 

 

 

Edited By Brian Cooper on 27/04/2019 07:58:19

trebor27/04/2019 08:39:25
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I take it you wouldn't have to bother with this if you only flew indoor models and under 250g outside ?

Brian Cooper27/04/2019 08:43:57
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WE know what a drone is, and WE know what a model aeroplane is, but the CAA cannot, or will not, differentiate between the two, so we are ALL drone flyers now.................. sigh.

Ruddy drones......!! Because of drones, we are now having draconian legislation slapped on us by the CAA. And the final insult is we have to pay for it too. . Naturally, these new laws (and costs) will only affect the law-abiding. . The hooligan drone flyers won't care and will very probably be blissfully unaware of these new rules and regulations. And even if they were aware, it is doubtful they will comply with them. . No, for the most part, they have had their craze, they have done their damage and they have moved on to some other pastime.

This latest twist from the CAA is another nail in the coffin of model flying. . People under the age of 18 won't be ALLOWED to own a model aeroplane (sorry, a drone), but they will still be able to fly one.... crazy, or what..!! This should nicely discourage any youngsters from taking an interest in model flying.

It gives me no pleasure to say this -- and I hope I am wrong -- but radio controlled model flying in the UK might have died out in 20 years' time.. . We pursue this hobby for fun and recreation. We certainly don't do it so we can be subjected to ever-increasing rules and regulations. . Starting at the end of THIS year, many people might decide to "call it a day" and leave the hobby... The proof of the pudding will be the number of people who renew their BMFA membership for 2020. .. unless something changes, it is doubtful that the numbers will increase, eh.

It is indeed a sad time for our hobby.

B.C.

Percy Verance27/04/2019 08:54:38
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20 years? I admire your optimism Brian..........

And yes, sadly I have already conversed with the odd flyer or two whom have indicated this is the final straw for them, and that they'll call it a day...........

Percy Verance27/04/2019 09:00:04
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The maddening part of all this for me is that the database the CAA are looking to build - or most of it at least - already exists with the FPV, the BMFA, the SAA and the LMA. Any of these organistation would, I'm sure, comply with a request for information from the CAA. But of course there's no £16.50 involved is there?  Anyone whom isn't a member of a National Model Flying organisation will probably just carry on regardless.............and be £16.50 better off to boot.

I'll apologise in advance for swearing, but this is going to put our hobby on it's arse. 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 09:14:32

MattyB27/04/2019 09:13:11
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Posted by Steve J on 27/04/2019 07:50:21:

Posted by MattyB on 26/04/2019 23:23:42:

The £16.50 charge annually seems very high

U-space foundation services don't pay for themselves you know .

Steve

Indeed. I suspect the proceeds from this won’t make much of a dent in that bill though!

Peter Miller27/04/2019 09:14:25
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Way back in the 50s and 60s we used to to have to buy a license to own an radio control outfit. They gave up on that long before R/C was anything like as popular.

I wonder how the CAA is going to inform the general masses of individual (as opposed to members of organisations) drone flyers that they must take a test and pay for registration. The type of person who buys a drone and does not read anything anywhere, just goes and flys it.

I wonder how they are going to catch all the non registered owners. Hell! The police can't even catch most of the non insured drivers with their ANPR cameras.

A drone is a lot easier to hide!

MattyB27/04/2019 09:15:57
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Posted by Steve J on 27/04/2019 07:53:22:

Posted by MattyB on 26/04/2019 23:34:55:

There is also a typo on that infographic that says registration is valid for 3 years, but elsewhere in the doc it states 1 with a possibility of moving to 3 once they know how many people are registering and whether they can “cover their costs”.

Operator registration (aka 'the drone tax', ANO 94C/D) is for one year. Competency (ANO 94E/F) is three years.

Steve

Ok, got it now. They could have certainly made that graphic a lot clearer though; as it stands I suspect most recreational flyers will assume they needed to follow one path or the other, when in fact we will need to complete both.

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Edited By MattyB on 27/04/2019 09:21:10

Peter Miller27/04/2019 09:17:24
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Posted by GrahamWh on 26/04/2019 22:15:55:

Done.

But does this government listen to anyone but itself?

Haven't you realised! This government doesn't even listen to its self.They are all too busy shouting and yelling at each other to listen to anything

Percy Verance27/04/2019 09:19:41
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Well that's just it Peter. They won't catch all the non registered owners, will they? They'll simply legislate further and further, until the whole hobby/sport, call it what you will disappears up it's own anus. After that, some pen pushing chair polisher will dream up another scheme to raise cash from somewhere......

I may just make enquiries about joining our village bowling club...........

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 09:25:16

trebor27/04/2019 09:23:17
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I've only been flying for about 3 years and now having a re think. I needed something to keep my brain occupied when I had to stop working, maybe I should have got into boats surprise I already got the fishing rods and I used to get fed up with the foreigners taking all the carp out of the lakes for the table due to lack of bailiffs and now my flying hobby is going down the same route.

Percy Verance27/04/2019 09:26:56
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Mmmm, model yachts. There's a thought. I do live in the Lake District.........

SLEC have some model boat kits, as do RBC kits.....and there's that gorgeous IONA cabin cruiser on the Mick Reeves site.......

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 09:34:59

trebor27/04/2019 09:32:38
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One or two old boys at my club have gone over to boats when the hand eye coordination starts to go. sad

Percy Verance27/04/2019 09:38:44
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We have a former model boat builder with us trebor. Some of his boats are truly magnificent. He has one, Drumbeat of Devon, a Fisheries Protection vessel. About 4 feet long. Incredible detail, with even the unions on the hydraulic hoses on the HiAb Sea Crane produced in minute detail. Wonderful diesel engine noise from the sound generator too.

kevin b27/04/2019 09:43:18
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If anyone is interested I have a digital collection of about 1000 model boats, apart from the aeroplanes.

Free to anyone who wants to build a boat.

Pete Collins27/04/2019 09:43:31
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In response to Peter Millers comment re Radio Licences. The government were quite happy to keep collecting the fifteen bob from each user while it didn't involve doing anything but when the CB craze happened (Sound familiar) Legitimate users started to complain that they pay a license fee and would expect the government to police the waveband and do something about illegal users who were interfering with our control systems and causing a potential danger etc. The initial government response was to scrap the licence fee. Only later did they introduce new wavebands and legalise CB - this proved to be the real answer since legalising CB pretty much killed the craze over night! Such is the perversity of the human animal.

Steve J27/04/2019 09:58:15
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Posted by MattyB on 27/04/2019 09:15:57:

Posted by Steve J on 27/04/2019 07:53:22:

Operator registration (aka 'the drone tax', ANO 94C/D) is for one year. Competency (ANO 94E/F) is three years.

They could have certainly made that graphic a lot clearer though

Indeed. The graphic is very poor.

Steve

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