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Brian Cooper27/04/2019 10:00:36
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Costs: The CAA has based its estimate for costs (£16.50) on the basis that over 170,000 people will register. . . These figures are based on information passed to them regarding the sales of "toy" drones over the last three or four years. . They estimate that about 2 million toy drones have been sold, and the CAA thinks (expects) that all these people will be cheerfully rushing to register their toys . . . . no chance.

The CAA is going to be disappointed when only about 30,000 BMFA members sign up. . Then, of course, the costs for the following years will be significantly multiplied to cover the shortfall.. . How many people will be keen to pay, let's say, £85 per year just to stay registered?

Naturally, nobody in the higher echelons of the CAA will ever think about scrapping it.

Enjoy your flying this summer, lads. It won't be the same next year.

B.C.

Peter Miller27/04/2019 10:03:26
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Well, we can always go back to control line!

And what abut free flight. Mind you, I am bit too old to chase a free flight model across the fields these days.

Percy Verance27/04/2019 10:11:52
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Brian

I have already commented about that in my reply on the form. And yes, you're quite right. They'll look at the numbers, scratch a few heads, and then it'll be an increase to a £50 (or more) registration fee. That's how any department connected to HM Gov works.

And I firmly believe you could be correct. This marks a huge turning point, and things are unlikely to be the same again....

And if anyone from the CAA is reading this (unlikely, but you never know). You've got it wrong pal. This just won't wash. For a start, 90% of drone ( as in multirotor) flyers won't even know about this, so you'll get zero response from them.

We used to laugh at the Minister for Ministerial Affairs, but boy it's our turn now.......

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 10:15:59

trebor27/04/2019 10:18:57
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They have already started to get round the problem with sub 250 gram quads fitted with hd cameras. Some have gps even.

Graham R27/04/2019 10:20:42
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I guess that a large percentage of BMFA members are pensioners pursuing our hobby in retirement. This is just another tax foisted on upon us by the establishment.What could they do if we all refused to pay?

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Percy Verance27/04/2019 10:41:02
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Well David, I just had a phone conversation with a chap whom I've known for almost 40 years. He built and sailed model boats prior to moving over to model aircraft back in the 80's. He says he won't be registering and will be returning to model boating......

And having built and sailed a few model boats myself 20 odd years back, I'm seriously considering doing the same. If it's good enough for Ken Binks......

Graham

It's the "easy target" policy I'm afraid. I'm not sure what they'd do if we all simply didn't register and carried on regardless. They're relying on the fact that the vast majority are responsible, and will therefore comply and register - albeit with a grumble. I think it's really going to hit the fan at the CAA next year though when they see they're nowhere near their 170'000 figure......... I'll give you three guesses what they'll do after that. Perhaps the biggest worry here though is the fact that they may feel 100'000 simply haven't registered, and they'll come after the rest of us like bloodhounds.

BMFA, LMA SAA etc. You've really got your work cut out now.......

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 11:04:05

Peter Miller27/04/2019 10:47:28
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I dowonder about the online competance examination.

If this is compiled by a drone expert we aeromodellers will not know most of the answers. as they will not be applicable to aircraft. I suspect that some questions will be totally irrelevant anyway.

Perhaps, when the exam is published someone will put a crib sheet up here.

Peter Miller27/04/2019 10:52:34
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Posted by Graham R on 27/04/2019 10:20:42:

I guess that a large percentage of BMFA members are pensioners pursuing our hobby in retirement. This is just another tax foisted on upon us by the establishment.What could they do if we all refused to pay?

And as a pensioner I see that the house of Lords wants to take away our free TV licences and Winter Fuel Payments based on the fact that younger people are far worse off that we are.

I will, with great difficulty, refrain from the many comments and thoughts that crowd my mind at those idiotic ideas. But then what can one expect from a shower like that lot.

Steve J27/04/2019 10:57:09
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Peter, This is what the latest EU/EASA document says about the test:

"The examination shall comprise 40 multiple-choice questions distributed appropriately across the following subjects:

i.​air safety;

ii.​airspace restrictions;

iii.​aviation regulation;

iv.​human performance limitations;

v.​operational procedures;

vi.​UAS general knowledge;

vii.​privacy and data protection;

viii.​insurance;

ix.​security."

Steve

Peter Miller27/04/2019 11:03:40
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I can see a few there that will have little application to R/C models

Percy Verance27/04/2019 11:06:04
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But Peter, as I mentioned earlier, we're into the Ministry of Silly Talks here. It'll all just get dafter and dafter.....

And then of course, some Assistant Under Secretary to the Deputy Head of Internal affairs will get the job of trawling through the applications and entering the data on their computers, while at the same time sitting on a hugely costly leather office chair...........

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 11:12:20

trebor27/04/2019 11:19:50
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Looking at that test list I am bored to tears already. Where is the slit my wrist smily when you need one ?

Martin Dance 127/04/2019 11:25:49
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I have completed the document and posted on our clubs Google group a request for members to complete the document making their opposition clear.

I suppose we could super glue ourselves to the CAA HQ which is near Gatwick airport and film us from a drone hovering over the airport. :D ;D ;D <img src=" src="http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/Smileys/live/shocked.gif" title="Shocked" />

PETER BRUCE - Eastchurch Gap27/04/2019 11:31:12
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I think that model flyers are pure annoyance to the CAA and they would just like to see us gone so the CAA and Civil Servants dealing with the illegal idiots can then get back to sipping tea in the morning. What is the point of this knee jerk registration fee when this very small proportion of idiots who cause all the problems operate outside the law and have nothing to link them with any responsible flying clubs or flying bodies like the BMFA, LMA. BHPA BMA and many other reputable organisations.

Just like the CB controversy and many other government knee jerk responses we have had in the past and I find it truly amazing that they can even make up their minds on anything taking BREXIT (had to throw that in) as an almost 3 year mess.

If the ones they really want to register don’t - why should we.

Just filling coffers - and every few years the fee increases and they still won’t catch the renegade few. How legislators like to kill off and hinder many types of interest. This should have been done through our governing bodies.

I know I’m going to get some stick but I think “go rogue or give up” - the latter being just what the CAA want.

PS  Interestingly by going onto the site and giving your details your already creating their database for them and that’s a great intrusion of your person. Just saying🤔 

 

 

Edited By PETER BRUCE - Eastchurch Gap on 27/04/2019 11:35:56

Percy Verance27/04/2019 11:31:37
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And registration has to be completed by the end of November. It'll sure be interesting to see what effect this has on BMFA, LMA etc membership for 2020.......

PETER

I'm inclined to agree. We're simply a tiny minority interest group in which they have next to zero interest.  I'm seriously going to ponder a bit of model boating, because the hassle we're going to get from this point onwards is going to be more trouble than it's worth........

And you think the registration fee will increase every few years. Oh Peter, you optimistic fool..... smiley  Oh no. The fee will be reviewed annually, and any *shortfall* will simply get tagged onto the following year's fee.........until we reach a point when there's no need for a registration fee because we'll all be gone.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 11:58:31

trebor27/04/2019 11:38:33
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I could understand this if were pointed at people piloting aircraft through a laptop via gps but for line of sight flying there just out to screw us over. I,m with Martin yes I just happen to have a new tube of foam safe super glue to hand.

Percy Verance27/04/2019 11:51:03
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Didn't you realise trebor, there's a whole Government department specifically dedicated to screwing us over. And while they ponder their next moves, they chew the ends of their departmental pens. H M Gov spends over 20k a year buying pens with departmental logos on them......

One particular Government Department even spent many thousands of pounds hiring a consultant. The consultant was hired to undertake a study into hiring consultants.....

You just couldn't make it up.......

If this carries on, we'll need a plough on the front of our cars to get through it all before we even reach the flying field.......

 

 

 

Edited By Percy Verance on 27/04/2019 11:56:19

BackinBlack27/04/2019 11:59:33
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I still find a degree of confusion in the terminology used in the Consultation document and response form. In responding to the Consultation we are asked to choose from a list where our interests lie, this acknowledges a differentiation between drones and model aircraft. The next question asks if we own a drone, Yes or No? Are they now including model aircraft or not?

From the Consultation document -

There will be no charge for remote pilots to take the required test, thereby, encouraging remote pilots to educate themselves (our research has shown that 85% of remote pilots are also drone operators);

If drones includes model aircraft what are the other 15% piloting? Or do 85% of model aircraft pilots really pilot multirotor drones?

This whole process is a farce where related to flying model aeroplanes, helicopters and multi rotor devices as a hobby/pastime. The irresponsible, unwitting or deliberate misuse of "Drones" has brought about this situation and deserves control, but not at a cost to the majority of responsible, law abiding model aircraft flyers.

The previous provisions of the ANO and CAPs relating to remote operated model aircraft and multirotor drones were, if followed, adequate to assure safety. They were never effectively policed or enforced and there is no indication that the new Regulations will be, so how have we progressed?

Regulation of commercial Drone operations is a different matter.

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